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Just got this guy in today, sold to me as leucistic. The leucistic I had was bright white.

This guy doesn't look like I thought he would and like he was described. He was described as being white and not a dirty pink.


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Jesse Garcia
SnakePool Reptiles

Hi Jesse
It looks like a Leucistic Pine to me . A lot of Leucistic pines are pink .I have Trio of Leucistic pines and they are from 2 different people and all 3 are pink ! I think the white ones are called Snows and are more $$$
Jason

can be considered correct (very loose correct) from the fact the snake looks like it can't produce and have any pigmentation or pattern. They look that way because they have a combination of recessive genes that takes away their pigmentation and patterns. There have been several ways of creating this combination of genes and the leucistic (I'll call them that for this thread) pines have been coined 'pink' or 'yellow' leucistic. Here's a pic of the yellow leucistic so. pine. The leucistic Texas ratsnake does have the leucistic gene which doesn't allow the snake to produce and have any pigmention or pattern. People who want to take a more specific stance and feel this is the only true "leucistic" will require the snake to have black or blue/black eyes. The pic of the pinkish pine you posted is representative of leucistic pines that I have seen. Jason is correct that the pinkish or leucistic pines are an offshoot of combining recessive genes to produce what is termed "snow". We have been using recessive gene trait terms or names to describe the phenotype (appearance) of a snake rather than giving it a term of a snake that has that particular recessive combinations of the genes. So you have to be careful when someone says its "leucisitc", "hypomelanistic", 'white sided", etc and you are looking for a snake that has that particular morph gene. You'll be pretty diappointed to breed a snake you think has a certain gene and you get phenotypes of offspring having everything but that gene. Breeders producing white cornsnakes have been calling them 'snow', 'blizzard' and 'pearl' for the white (leucistic looking) corns. The term snow means a certain combination of genes; 'blizzard' another combination of genes and so on. Good luck and that's a nice looking pine.

>>Just got this guy in today, sold to me as leucistic. The leucistic I had was bright white.
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>>This guy doesn't look like I thought he would and like he was described. He was described as being white and not a dirty pink.
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>>Jesse Garcia
>>SnakePool Reptiles

I hate the term leucistic for pines. I brreed them and hate listing them as such but have to for lack of a better term. Why don't we invent a new term for these eh?
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International Snakes Meetup

leucisitic gene trait came out in a pine snake or bullsnake? How would you explain it? If you advertise it, people would be thinking that it's the pine or bull with a combinaiton of genes that make it look leucistic. For now, the leucistic term for pines and bullsnakes is accepted as a combination of genes instead of the actual morph gene trait. I would like to see it where a morph term would help track or link the bloodlne or lineage. Its uncanning how the cornsnake breeders have been able to do it. It's almost like they know who or what bloodline you're talking about by the term you use to describe it; blizzard, snow, pewter, to name a few.

>>I hate the term leucistic for pines. I brreed them and hate listing them as such but have to for lack of a better term. Why don't we invent a new term for these eh?
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