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I'm not sure anyone is selling them, and I'm not sure why anyone would ever be interested in buying one.

I suppose it's cool looking and all, but unsafe as heck. If a person were to tell you there were human-ape hybrids, you'd flip right? (crappy analogy, I know)

Hybrids were not meant to be, they have different DNA and mixing them could cause problems in many many ways. Some of which will not be shown for quite some time. I don't know of any defects yet, but it's bound to be there. Hybrids are pretty unsafe. Just because they can and will breed together doesn't mean they should. And just because they are compatable to give offspring doesn't make them safe. Just because it works doesn't make it a good thing, it's like trying trying to say linux and windows are compatable because they manage to work together.

I'm against hybrids by the way. hahaha
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Ball-Pythons.Net

there was a human ape cross, it was called a humanzee (im not kidding). this is a link to a picture of it, his name is oliver. you can also look up humanzee on a seach engine to find out more info. Creepy stuff---Eric---
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the grossest thing I have ever heard of. I actually thought it'd be impossible... But to think that some guy got down with a monkey is insane, or was it the other way around?
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Ball-Pythons.Net

I saw some scientific TV show on that animal and they even found him still alive. Apparently some genetic testing was done on him in the 70's and most of the tests showed the correct number of chromosomes for a pure chimp and only one lab showed discrepancies (this was the 70’s remember). After they strung you along for the whole show they decided he was just an odd chimp from some isolated location. It was interesting that his appearance and mannerisms where different from other chimps and the others didn't like him (smell different?). Probably an extinct locality type or perhaps even subspecies by now.

I think the show said that he came out of the Congo? But testing showed he deffintly was a chimp.

The show did talk about a humanze, but I belive that it was terminated imediatly after birth? I belive it was created by artifical insemination.

It said something like there was a rumor that someone created one a long time ago, like in the 1930's, and it was terminated. Who knows, someone might try it but just to set the record straight, there is not confirmed case of a human hybrid ever having existed.

Who knows, someone might try it but just to set the record straight, there is not confirmed case of a human hybrid ever having existed.

www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/96/13/7117.pdf
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It looks a little like Sam Cassell of the Minnesota Timberwolves

That`s what it would be worth to me,nothing! What`s the value of a poodle bred to a doberman? Aren`t there enough ball python morphs as well as blood morphs out there to keep everyone interested? I`m all for creating designer morphs within a given species, but let`s not mix balls with bloods. Mark Petros

Id like to see it but wouldnt own it! Lets keep the species pure NOTHING CAN OUT DO OR DEFINE THE ORIGINALS!

except that all domestic dogs are the same species with the same DNA structure, just different traits. Not a good comparison to two totally different species whose DNA may not be compatible. I've never heard anything new about any of the hybrids - did they have any issues raising them? I'm assuming that they will be sterile. I don't think that they are related closely enough, which is fine with me.

...but "Jungle Corns" seem to be pretty popular (Corn snake x cal king), and Bob Clark gets a pretty good buck for his Burm x Retics...

Incidentally, the Jungle Corns and some other hybrids prove out fertile, and consequently the definition of a specie has changed from the one we learned in high school bio.

Hey there's a limited market for Ball x Angolan, just ask NERD.

Again just some observations...

SJM

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2.1 Python regis, 1.0 Boa Constrictor Imperator, and the frogs.

I'm going to stay neutral on the argument but they were posted a few years back on Kingsnake by Dr. Frankenstein (or whatever he called himself) and sold for $1,100 each! They were pretty neat looking for mutts!

It's funny people are putting 2 species from different parts of the world together. Personally I hate and will always hate mutts, hybrids, anything not pure! It's sad, just as with *Hog* Island Boas. Not many pure specimens out there anymore, and people sell crosses as if they were pure. Not saying that some aren't very nice looking just saying I'd never own any. I guess I'd leave alone what was put on earth because it was put there for a reason the way it was. Anyways enough of me going on it's all personal opinion.

John

Its not like anyone will be shipping their hybrid animals back to either parents country to be released in an effort to contaminate the indeginous populations.

People produce hybrids out of curiousity and for diversity. Diversity is what drives the market. Especially the ball and retic market. If diversity was not a goal amoungst breeders there would be no albinos, pieds, etc.

As long as breeders do not misrepresent their hybrids and market them as what they are I see no problem in the produvtion of hybrids and wait egarly to see the next one.

Darrell Armstrong
reticulus@aol.com

But what if the hybrids are fertile? I doubt all keepers will keep track of all their decedents indefinitely. Eventually someone will think one is a new morph of ball. I guess it isn't the end of the world if people will not be able to know they have a pure ball python but it sort of sucks that once the genie is out of the bottle it can't be put back in and eventually it will contaminate the entire captive gene pool.

Maybe we can start a DAR like registry for ball pythons where people start documenting all ancestry back to original wild caught. Heck, I didn't even get that sort of info on my 3rd generation possible het stripe. What is the chance anyone will be able to document a diverse captive population back 20 generations by the time the hybrid genes are all mixed in the general population?

Can't imagine these hybrids finding there way back into the population first of all. I suppose it's possible a few could but not enough to affect the gene pool. Secondly, there's a reason these snakes in the wild look the way they do! Introduce most of these hybrids and they'll quickly be food for some other animal.
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Kane

I wasn't so much worried about the hybrid descendents getting into the wild as becoming mixed into the captive bred population. I just figure that if the hybrids can breed it is very unlikely that everyone will keep track of all of their descendents indefinitely. A few generations of breeding to balls and they will probably look pretty much like balls and get forgotten until a weird hybrid influenced one pops up as a “new morph” somewhere way down the line. I suppose as long as the wild population is healthy we will continue to have plenty of imports and if a future breeder really wants pure ball pythons they could get imports. But they will have to pick between pure ball pythons and morphs since all of the captive bred population will be suspect by that time.

People don't pay the big bucks for pets, they pay it for breeders. All the big bucks now encourage the best breeders to work the hardest at producing more as quick as possible and will result in those neat morphs eventually being available as pets all the sooner. Hard to say what is the right asking price but if they started out much cheaper it would take much longer before most people could have one. Nothing like capitalism to inspire hard/smart work and optimum production.