I found 3 T.e.terrestris today while hiking with my kids. Was hoping to see infernalis, but none found today. The terrestris were all drab due to pre-shed condition. All were around 30" and pretty chunky.

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I found 3 T.e.terrestris today while hiking with my kids. Was hoping to see infernalis, but none found today. The terrestris were all drab due to pre-shed condition. All were around 30" and pretty chunky.

I was just there! Did you see any California Red-sideds garters?
Sorry about that! I just reread your post! You mentioned you didn't see any infernalis and then I asked you if you had seen any! Good luck in your search. Casey

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