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frog question

jonpcab Apr 19, 2004 06:30 PM

I'm getting a frog in a few weeks, but I'm not sure which kind. One i'm interested in is the one pictured at the top of this forum where it says "frogs" in big red. What species is that? thanks for the help.

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snakeguy88 Apr 19, 2004 08:22 PM

That would be your standard, everyday American Bullfrog. They are fairly poor candidates for the average keeper due to the large amount of space needed and often jumpy dispositions. If you like larger frogs, look into african bullfrogs and horned frogs. Allow yourself a month or so to set up a tank and research as much as you can about the species that works best for you.
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ginevive Apr 20, 2004 06:11 AM

That's a pic of my former bullfrog. I ended up setting her free in a sheltered pond at a local nature preserve. These frogs get very large (females can get over 7 inches, nose to tailbone.) Instead of getting a bullfrog, I'd recommend a leopard frog or green frog; they are similarly shaped and do not get too big, and can live out their lives in a 30-gallon long tank. Also there are a lot of good caresheets out there.
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JadeFox Apr 20, 2004 07:37 AM

If you want to get a bullfrog, you need a 100 gallon container. For one single frog. Because they really hop a lot and need lots of leg room. Need not be made of glass but a semi-transparant plastic.

White's treefrog: A ten gallon tank will suffice. I had great success with running tiger leg treefrog. Had mine 4 years now. Still healthy as a horse. Other ten gallon varieties include a single american common toad.

A pacman frog is also simple as pie. But ONLY ONE PER TANK. They are all mouth and stomache. And will eat even another pacman of its same size and choke to death.

DO NOT get a red eyed tree frog--though they are gorgeious, not the frog of choice for beginners. Although some people have claimed they are real easy, they need absolute stringent environmental conditions, and when they get sick they go down fast. In short they get sick too easy. I have one for several years now but it's not easy keeping it. IT IS VERY RISKY HOUSING TWO OF THEM TOGETHER. If you get one that is healthy and parasite treated, keep it by itself. For a longer life. One RETF per ten gallon tank.

Most treefrogs are super easy. To the exception of RETFs.

Tomato frogs are super easy and very cute. One frog per ten gallon tank.

Leopard frogs are super easy. But you need at least a 30 gallon tank for each.

JadeFox

JadeFox Apr 20, 2004 07:38 AM

I only house one frog per one aquarium. Some people put two in one container but I think that is hazardous because if one gets sick they ALL get sick.

JadeFox

EdK Apr 20, 2004 08:26 AM

This is not always (or even frequently the case) as it depends on the health of the animal and the infectious organism. But housing your frogs singly is your perogative.
Ed

EdK Apr 20, 2004 08:25 AM

Not housing red eyes togerher makes it very difficult to breed them as reproduction occurs most readily when an surplus of males is kept with the females. Funny, I have had a colony of red eye tree frogs (usually around 12 frogs) (population fluctuates a little with reproduction (what I keep back) and losses due to old age (about 8 years is average).
Housing them singly is not needed unless you are quarantining a new aquisition.

There are two thoughts on housing ranids in aquariums. One is to try and give them enough room where they can move around but in these enclosures the frogs if startled can jump into a side or the top damaging their face and/jaws to possible breaking bones and killing themself. This is why some people keep them in smaller enclosures where they are unable to get a full jump and cannot get up sufficient force/or steam.
This can often be avoided if there is sufficient hiding spaces for the ranid to feel secure.
Ed

JadeFox Apr 20, 2004 11:15 PM

I would not choose a RETF if I were a beginner, much less to attempt to breed red eyed tree frogs. It's very difficult-and very expensive--venture. Lots of room enclosures, a rain machine, lots of frogs (which hopefully one is not parasitized which you could end up losing all of them). I'm sure this attempt would cost at least a thousand dollars

and though some miracle if one were successful and managed to raise all of those tadpoles (which is another battle in itself) into little froglets-imagine the cost of tiny crickets which one would need a constant supply of.

JadeFox

EdK Apr 21, 2004 02:52 AM

Several comments
1) Where did I recommend that a beginner breed red eye tree frogs
2) where did I recommend that a beginner get red eye tree frogs for a starter frogs
3) where in the world did you get that pricing structure for what it takes to breed red eye tree frogs
4)it appears by your statement that you have never bred redeye tree frogs so how do know the level of difficulty (I recommend at least reviewing these two articles before making statements like that again ( Red-eyed Wonders, Steve Cooper, Reptiles v10.3 (3/02) and
Red-Eyed Tree Frogs: Jewels of the Rain Forest Night, Steve Cooper, v2.2 (11-12/94) as well as the Treefrog Book by Advanced Vivarium Systems. One of the older books that contains some nice information is Terrarium Animals, by Zimmerman (TFH Press).

Well, I'm sure you could set up a very elaborate cage for a $1000 but this amount of money is really not necessary.
The basic red breeding enclosure would be a 20 gallon high aquarium with a partial mesh top for ventilation. you can either construct a rain system out of a piece of 1/2 inch pvc tubing (with lots of little tiny holes drilled into it) attached to a powerhead on a timer and/or use a 3 gallon sprayer set on a very fine mist. (mounting mist nozzles into the pvc tube gives a better "rain" and is better for stimulating oviposition).
Along the screen lid of the tank attach large plastic leaves so they overhang the water section in the tank. I have produced a lot of clutches of eggs in this sort of set up and it costs less than $300 dollars.
Ed

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