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Here are pitures of my other breeder hondurans.

First up, my Anery's mate: a Tri-color het Hypo female

Next, my albino tri-color male. You can see the yellow bands in person, but the camera didn't really catch them (obviously):

And then my oddball. My tangerine het albino, who's as dark as.. well, something really dark:

Thanks for looking, pics of my new yearlings coming soon!

First,I really like that dark bi-colored het albino.Thats sweet.
Second,Is that a little scare or white pigment on that het hypo tri-color.Its on about the 8th red bar down.Is it a bit of pied?

Third,Just wondering why you would breed a het hypo to your anery?You know all this will net you is a whole clutch of wild types that are het anery and poss het hypo makeing them poss het ghost?

shannon

Awesome looking bi-color.

Jeff Teel

Hi Shannon, and thanks!

The spot on the het hypo is actually a piece of aspen shavings. She had been in her water bowl just prior to that picture, and some shavings got stuck to her. (i Wish it was pied!)

As far as breeding the Anery to the het hypo, i'm pretty much doing it because I had a ready-to-breed female and didn't want to waste her. At the time I bought her, I thought you just had to cross a hypo to an anery to get ghosts. I can either breed her to the anery and possibly produce het for ghosts (i think), or I could breed her to the albino and get... ?

Which reminds me of a question I have for you. I just acquired an adult female Hypo. Blazing little lady, but a wee bit psychotic. (just like her owner)
Now, if I breed her to the Anery, I would produce double hets (therefore het for ghost).
What I want to know, is how do you produce the morph sometimes called hybino, or extreme/super hypo? Do you just breed an albino to a hypo, or is it another double het thing?
I know most people think it's a no-no, but if I could produce hybinos/extreme hypos just breeding her to the albino, I think I'd do that first, then see if I could breed her to my Anery later this season. (It'd be really easy to tell who fathered what)
Sorry about the wordiness, but I wanna do this right.
Thanks again

Ellen

O.K.,
If you bred the hypo to a anery you will get all 100% dbl-het for ghosts.Breed these siblings together and you have a chance of producing a ghost (1 in 16)but you will get hypos that are poss het anery and anerys that are poss het hypos?
If you use the het hypo to breed to the anery you get poss hets and it already a slim chance to get the ghost going dbl-het x dbl-het?

You can check out my site and I go into more detail about all the possibilities.

Extreme hypos are just that?They are not from crossing any two morphs,You can't make a extreme hypo per say.

If you breed your anery to a albino (smart choice)you will get all wild types that are 100% dbl-het for snows.The formula works the same as with the ghosts.

If you breed the hypo to a albino you get all wild types that are dbl-het for hybino?This is a little more complicated so you can check my site to read about it?

Thanks shannon

Hi,
I really like that bi-color, reminds me of what my gaigeae looked like a few months ago. What are your breeding plans for that one? Who produced it?

Thanks,
Nate

I'll do the short reply first - Nate, I bought her and her Tri-color Albino mate from MNR Reptiles. I don't know whether Michael Barerra produced them himself or bought them; I never thought to ask.
As for breeding plans, I'm going to breed her to the male albino, and see what comes out. I'd love to see some tangerine albinos (she is a tangerine), but i'll take whatever they give me.

Shannon, I understand what you mean. The Anery and het hypo pair were my first hondos, and at the time I barely knew anything about the morphs. Now that I have her, I may as well use her for something. Heck, if the hypo genes don't pass on to their offspring, I still have a chance of producing fantastic looking Anerys, considering the coloration of my male. Since I'm not a big time breeder (yet!) right now I just want pretty, healthy babies. Anything else is extra.

As far as the hybino/super hypo/extreme hypo, I need to clarify something.
The hypo morph I meant is the one with the bright red background, and that greyish lavender color in place of the black. Hopefully that's a good enough description for you to know what I mean.
I'm aiming to eventually produce those (are they called super hypos now?) and I wanted to know what to breed to get them. Any thoughts?
Unfortunately, both my albino and my anery are males.. otherwise i'd produce dbl hets for snow this year. dangit.

Could you explain (or could someone explain) what the difference is - pics would be very nice - between a super hypo, a hybino, and an extreme hypo? You said I could produce dbl hets for hybino, but I'm not sure which hypo morph that is.

Thank You, once again!
-Ellen

Hi Ellen, I'll pitch in here...

>>As far as the hybino/super hypo/extreme hypo, I need to clarify something.
>>The hypo morph I meant is the one with the bright red background, and that greyish lavender color in place of the black. Hopefully that's a good enough description for you to know what I mean.

A: Unfortunately, it's not enough. Lots of hypos are orangeish-red, not bright red: bright red is more often a characteristic of tricolors. Perhaps you've seen a hypo of steve osborne's -- he originally called them something like super hypo extremes, something like that, more recently has called them just "supers", they're a line of the regular hypo, apparently (compatible alleles, that is, you can breed them to each other and get hypos) and steve's seem to have more reddish color to them than the more commonly seen hypos, that originated with bill and kathy love, and that were tangerines and thus pretty orange. Sorry for the long answer, short answer is your description could still refer to several diff things.

>>Could you explain (or could someone explain) what the difference is - pics would be very nice - between a super hypo, a hybino, and an extreme hypo? You said I could produce dbl hets for hybino, but I'm not sure which hypo morph that is.

A: super hypo is now used to refer to steve osborne's line of hypos, though for about a year the term was also used to refer to waht are now called "extreme" hypos, which originated with mike falcon.
A: hybino is an animal that is BOTH hypo AND albino. Yes, it is a double morph. Although we don't yet know exactly what a hybino looks like (the first "for sure" will probably be produced this year) you can understand the difficulty i think: amelanistic, or albino, removes ALL melanin; how, then, can you tell by looking if such an albino animal has its melanin reduced, demonstrating that it is a hypo as well? One possible answer is that the hybino will overall be paler than a regular albino that's not also hypo; another answer is that you won't be able to tell a hybino from an albino by simply looking. (So the hypo het/albino X hypo het/albino pairing is the key, all the babies are hypos, so the 25% that are albino are thus hybinos, and you can tell them from looking.
A: an extreme hypo is a hypo on which the melanin rings are reduced much more significantly than on commonly seen hypos. Are they a new, genetically unique morph? or just a variant/line of regular hypos that is lighter than the others, but will breed with them, give varying degrees of reduction? Breedings now underway will HOPEFULLY answer those questions this season.

Hope that helps. And take a look at my genetics page, you need to better understand that subject, you'll have more fun with your animals once you do.

PHOTO: Is the one on top a tangerine albino, and the one on the bottom, the paler one, a hybino? I'lll know when i'm finally able to test-breed the pale one X a hypo mate--if all the babies are hypo, then he probably is too, and we'll have a strong bit of evidence, at least, that hybinos are in fact very pale albinos. But if the pair of hypo het/albinos I'm breeding this year produces, we'll also get that insight from their babies. Sometimes it takes several years to get the answ3ers we want.

peace
terry
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>>Thank You, once again!
>>-Ellen

genetics info

Hey Terry this is Jason Hood from Vero I was wondering about something with this bi-color. I have a poss-het for albino from Mike Falcon, and I haven't ask about the history of the animal, but it looks very similar to that bi-color pictured above and I was wondering if that might have any relation to the super-hypo line he has (ie. the over all black look in a hypo animal should be reduced to nearly nothing)

P.S. I'm still looking for sub or adult female hypo tangerines or hets for next years breeding.

Never mind I think I just answered my self as I was rereading my post. That would apply to albino animals not hypos where the black is still present just reduced right.

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