I think this is one of two possible snakes, but would like some more expert opinion as to which one, because they are indistinguishable to me.
Second Picture to follow.
Moclab

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I think this is one of two possible snakes, but would like some more expert opinion as to which one, because they are indistinguishable to me.
Second Picture to follow.
Moclab

Bad Underside Picture. Maybe it will help with the ID.

Not knowing geographic locality makes it a tad difficult, even with the pix, but I believe that is a scarlet kingsnake,
Lampropeltis triangulum elapsoides. Not sure what two are indistinguishable to you, or if you even live within the range of the coral. If that is the other snake you thought it might be, the attached site may help to clear things up for you.
~~Greg~~
Florida's Venomous Snakes
I would say it is the Florida Scarlet Snake - Cemophora Coccinea Coccinea.
The black borders are typical thin borders of the scarlet snake, and the snout is not pointy enough to be a scarlet king. In addition, the first black border does not touch the head.
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1.0 Corn snake (KY locale)
1.0 Black rat snake (KY locale)
1.0 Albino Black rat snake (Dwight Good stock)
1.0 Everglades rat snake (Dwight Good stock)
0.1 Yellow rat snake (Dwight Good stock)
1.1 California king snake (Coastal phase)
1.0 Prairie king snake (KY locale)
0.1 Black king snake (KY locale)
Good luck and Happy Herping
Brian
That should have read the first ring does not appear to touch the parietal scales of the head.
Brian
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1.0 Corn snake (KY locale)
1.0 Black rat snake (KY locale)
1.0 Albino Black rat snake (Dwight Good stock)
1.0 Everglades rat snake (Dwight Good stock)
0.1 Yellow rat snake (Dwight Good stock)
1.1 California king snake (Coastal phase)
1.0 Prairie king snake (KY locale)
0.1 Black king snake (KY locale)
Good luck and Happy Herping
Brian
That is one of the subspecies of Milksnake (Lampropeltis triangulum). Which subspecies depends on where you are.
While it does look like a Scarlet King (L.t.elapsoides) in some details, the red snout would be unusual for a scarlet king. I have seen a few red-snouted scarlet kings like this however the blotched appearance (rather than being banded) suggests something else.
I would have to guess that it is from somewhere on the Atlantic Coastal Plain between VA and NJ and so would probably be what used to be called the Coastal Plains Milksnake (L.t. temporalis) but which is now (somewhat contraversially) known as an intergrade between the Scarlet Kingsnake (of the southeast) and the Eastern Milksnake (of the northeast).
It doesn't have the right head shape or belly pattern to be a Scarlet Snake (Cemophora).
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Chris Harrison
Chris has the right idea. It definitly is a Lampropeltis triangulum intergrade. Scarlett snakes have a plain white veneer.
Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."
I'm sorry, I should have said where it was from. It was found in North Eastern Arkansas. And the two snakes I thought it might be was the Scarlet Kingsnake or some variety of milksnake. So the consensus looks to be that it is a milksnake.
Thank You all for the input,
Moclab
>>I'm sorry, I should have said where it was from. It was found in North Eastern Arkansas. And the two snakes I thought it might be was the Scarlet Kingsnake or some variety of milksnake. So the consensus looks to be that it is a milksnake.
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>>Thank You all for the input,
>>Moclab
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Chris Harrison
It certainly is in the right spot for it but I do think the head shows definite scarlet king influence (the solid red nose).
Still posisible intergrade. What do you think Chris?
Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."
most of Arkansas is a contact zone between syspila, elapsoides and amaura so I would expect most of the snakes in that state to show some influence of other subspecies.
The snake looks like a syspila with a somewhat unusual head pattern (probably due to intergradation).
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Chris Harrison
Intergrades of Scarlet have been found inf Western KY. However it is a rare occurance. Recently they have been popping up. Last year we had 3 turn up. We have to see one this year. Before last year we had not had a sighting of one of these snakes in almost 20 years. (This is all the history of this snake that I understand.) I have looked at the pictures. The ventral patterning reminds me of an elapsoides intergrade. Where the black rings would almost go around the whole snake body in elapsoides in the intergrade it does not. In the intergrade you can see where the ventral patterning is located where rings should be.
In any case it is not a coral snake, but it is a cool snake. I would have my professor look at this photo for a better ID. We (MurraySU) have been researching the range of elapsoides and triangulum and the intergrade in West KY. It would be very interesting to see that it may range all the way out to AR.
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