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I can follow genetics pretty well....at least with the simp[le recessive, double hets and such, but i have a problesm with the co dominant trait stuff.

i have seen for sale siblings of spider, and pastel ball pythons. what i dont understand is whether or not you can get spiders, or pastels from these "normal" looking snakes?

if you need me to elaborate on my question let me know, and thanks in advance for help fill

What you see is what you get.

the only co-dom snake that produces siblings that carry genetic coding other than normals is the Platty daddy and lesser platty's....RDR is still discovering their genetic make-up which seems to consist of co-dom traits as well as simple recessive somehow

Who knows what exactly is going on there. It would be interesting for Ralph to publish all of the breeding results over several generations and see if it can be figured out. I think its safe to say that there is more than one set of genes involved with that snake!

By the way Dom, how are those girls I sent you doing? I've got my first Ball clutch of this year hatching in about 3 weeks....hmm, I wonder if I turn up the incubator to 180 degress they'll hatch twice as fast..........lol
Joe's Site

Joe,

They are great and pigs man...They have shed twice since I got them and have them both up to just over 400 grams dry...They are garbage disposals considering 6 wks ago they were only 265 grams...What are you working with this yr??

Glad to hear they're doing well. I'll have another clutch with the same "pedigree" as the ones you bought from me. They'll hatch in about 3 weeks. I also have a clutch from the same dad and my WC unproven axanthic. I really feel that she will prove out to be axanthic. I'll post a picture of her below. I'll get one of her sons up to speed ASAP, and may know something late next year. Those eggs should be laid soon. I've got a third low percentage possible DH clutch on the way as well. I cant wait for things to start hatching. I've sold the last of my IJ babies from this year, as well as my last pair of IJ adults. We're officially all balls all the time now, although I bought my wife a little cal king for easter. LOL. Keep in touch!

Looks like shes going to give me a medium sized clutch...I'm guessing about 5 eggs...This pics approximates her true color. You think she could be axanthic? We'll see

Joe Pociask

I think Ralph Davis publishes all of his breeding information. You would just need to sort through all the previous year's info on his site to look at just the platy stuff. There was at least one clutch with multiple paternity confusing things a little on the platy X phantom issue. Hopefully this year's results will include crosses that will help clear up whatever is going on with the platy genetics.

thank you very much for the reply

from what i gather by reading ralph's breeding data is

platty x normal = lesser plattys and normals
lesser x sibling = with more breeding should confirm that
this will make more origial plattys.

and somewhere in there you get 2.1 leucistic balls

some things just make you want to say hhhmmmmmmmmmmm??????????

and to think how close the airline company came to killing this animal before ralph ever got it home and had a chance to work with it.

could this gene be somehow related to the fireball?
is it a recessive that produces killer visible hets?

Spiders are a dominant characteristic and you won't get spiders when breeding the normal looking siblings. HOWEVER, spiders are also reknown for being particularily good feeders that grow quickly and reach maturity in a short amount of time. I've known a number of people who have gotten their spiders to breeding size in less then a year. From what I understand the normal looking siblings in a spider clutch also share this trait. When talking about ball pythons, a good feeding response is never a bad thing.

Mark

I've got to figure that people like NERD, VPI, and Bob Clark have been breeding ball pythons long enough to collect and select for some killer good doing big normal females and use these to start off new projects. Of course maybe the original spider, VPI axanthic, clowns, and stripe where good snakes on their own too. For what ever reason you do often hear about how well these lines do.

Hopefully no one will be confused by the normal siblings with the known non-recessive morphs. There is also the grey area early on where some aren't yet 100% sure if a new morph isn’t recessive. I was surprised to notice some normal siblings of one of those mutations being offered at a pretty good premium. I guess if I where in the market for a normal I might be willing to pay a little premium just on the wild chance it's not co-dominant. As long as all the information is out there buyers will make up their own minds and either get lucky or not. Any purchase is a gamble; usually the price is reduced considerably as the odds of success go down.