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When breeding leopard geckos,should you be more concerned with the color/type of male rather than the female? I heard that the hatchlings inherit the genes of the father only...is this true?

They get half their genes from the male, and half from the female. There is no species that gets all of its genes from the males...with NO exceptions... As far as where their genes come from leos follow the normal rules half their genes come from the female's egg, and half from the male's sperm
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

Thank you for that clarification...I didn't think it was true.

hmm...not that im an expert but ive read lots of articles...and although it is a fact that they inherit genes from BOTH THE FATHER AND THE MOTHER...the fathers usually look more bright or "nicer" in a way...due to the fact that they have less melanin count as opposed to the mother and BABY MALES usually seem to inherit it more clearly...simply becauase they have less melanin...of course if ur breeding FOR melanism then this might not apply...melanin is deposited during incubation...higher the incubation temp the less melanin therefore the brighter the gecko...that is why males have less melanin cuz u incubate them at 88-90 whereas females are incubated at 80-83...same grounds upon which MR. TREMPER developed his super duper high yellow albinos...check his site...you may find it most interesting...

http://www.leopardgecko.com/color.html

happy herping - eric chen

I don't think that's so much a matter of inheritance as incubating temps. Either way half of the genes come from mom, half from dad (or close to it anyway...the X and Y chromosomes have different numbers of genes). There are some sex-linked recessive traits (genes on the X-chromosome) that are inherited more easily by males because they only have one copy of the gene because they only have one X-chromosome. I'm not sure of any specific examples with leos...but red-green colorblindness is an example in humans. That could have something to do with less melanin production...but I don't know...there are also holandric (I think that's the right term...) traits that only males can inherit because the genes are on the Y-chromosome (which females don't have). An example of that in humans is hairy ears!
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

sorry...i didn't clarify...but all im saying is that genes are inherited from father and mother...and even with two ugly parents you can develop beautiful young thru the tremper incubation method...

and if you are talking about genetic inheritence...im pretty sure that geckos inherit color from both parents equally...thats all..sorry fory for the confusion...

lol...I think we both misunderstood a little...lol it sounded like you were saying that they inherited more from the father...not that incubation could change their appearance. I was just saying that they inherit equally from the mother and...well basically saying the same thing as you...lol Although I don't agree with your statement that two ugly leos can make a beautiful one...there's no such thing as an ugly leo!!! lol It's just using the tremper incubation method (besides sometimes causing embryo loss and deformities), inaccurately portrays the offspring's genetics by physical manipulation, and from what I've heard, can cause females to mature MUCH later than normal.
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

oops...i didn't mean it that way though...of course as a felow herp lover every gecko is beautiful...im just saying ugly as in the worldly standards...of course people like us are already converts of geckoism ...and to further clarify..these are my beliefs

1. geckos inherit from the father and the mother
2. tremper incubation method works to produce BRIGHTER not necessarily "beautifuller" geckos...and in that i mean in the worldly secular views of reptiles...which i a gecko convert will take no part in judging the undescribable beauty of any gecko in the world
3. melanism is deposited during incubation which makes the gecko darker...which again...doesn't mean its uglier ....

-eric chen...follower of snakism and geckoism...

hehe...I knew that wasn't how you meant it...I just felt the need to say it
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

lol..okay

There are ALWAYS exceptions christina...lol. While I don't know about the male scenario...there is a species of lizard that gets all of its genes from the female. All the individuals are female and genetically identical. I can find the species name if you are interested...in the case of leos and pretty much every other lizard you are right.

>>They get half their genes from the male, and half from the female. There is no species that gets all of its genes from the males...with NO exceptions... As far as where their genes come from leos follow the normal rules half their genes come from the female's egg, and half from the male's sperm
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>>Christina
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>>Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions
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>>2.3 leos
>> -0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
>> -0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
>> -1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
>> -1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)
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>>-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.
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Bill DiFabio
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I'm totally aware of the animals getting all thier genes from the females! They're parthenogenic. Basically every animal of the species is essentially a clone. I would have said that in my post, however I thought it was irrelevent. I was just saying that there is no exception to the rule that no species gets all of its genes from the male...at least none that I'm aware of... I do find genetics fascinating (well...most of it anyway...lol I could do without learning how DNA works for the 20 billionth time...lol), and I plan on taking at least another course after the one I'm in now. Even before it though I was completely aware of parthenogenic species. Just out of curiosity and b/c I'm thinking about it...did you happen to know that all armadillo babies in a litter are identical? Usually four are born and they are always identical...could you imagine a woman having identical quadruplets????!!....lol
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

u got me interested..i think i heard that somewhere too..i was answering for the leo though...however i do want to know what kind of lizard that would be!! thanks a bunch

-eric chen

although I believe there are more species...the whiptail is the one usually used as an example. They are all female and they will "mount" other species to stimulate ovulation to occur.
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

interesting!!! thanks for the info !!

no prob!...the biggest problem with that form of reproduction is that most of those species don't last very long...since they are all pretty much genetically identical, every member of the species will have the same susceptabilities to disease...which means if some deadly disease for them pops up, there won't be any resistant to it, and the species will likely be wiped out. That's why there are only a few parthenogenic species!
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

wow...parthogenic....vet student?

lol...pre-vet actually
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.