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What do you think has the most potential out of a morph? Which will be used tyo make many future combos?

i think spider has the most potential.

bumbleebee
killerbee
albino spider
ghost (all types) spider
anery/axanthic spider
mojave spider
stonewashed pastel spider
blonde pastel spider
lemon line pastel spider
lesser platty spider
burgundy spider
cinnamon pastel spider
caramel albino spider
lemon/lime hypo spider
artic spider
lavender albino spider
red axanthic spider
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I too think the Spider is awesome, and an awesome combo animal, but I think its too easy with a spider. I think the "combo" animal with alot of potential has to be a simple recessive morph. And I think the best simple recessive morph for combos would be stripe. Think about it, they can be crossed with every color mutation and make a cool combo, or they can be bred with another pattern mutation, and who knows what will come out!?! If I had the money, I would invest in a whole colony of just genetic stripes, but I'm about 200K short...
Jason
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I must agree with Jason that the Spider morph is just a breathtaking morph... but the morphs that will usually hold their value would be a simple recessive... takes longer to get the morph, which in turn makes the snakes less available and thus keep the higher price... but if you think about it the spider is actually just a visable het for the Superspider, the pastel for the Superpastel and so on... the question is if you do get a simple recessive animal you'll probably be making 100% hets, trying to sell hets is ALOT harder to sell then if you were selling a Pastel or a Spider because there is no question about the lineage of the animal... so it could go both ways... but I like Jason would tend to sway towards a simple recessive, most likely the Stripe... Of course these are my own humble thoughts Im sure many others have their 2 cents
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Hypos have got to be the most underrated mutation out there and in my eyes have the most important ingredient to selectively clean up the other mutations.

Look at the Pastel Ghost, Spider Ghost and the Hypo Mojave. These three have the most potentiel when bred to other morphs with the key ingredient here being Hypos...

Everyone is jumping on the Co-dom & Dominant morphs right now but within five years, they will be everywhere and supply will outway demand and we all now what happens then...Recessive mutations are the best LONG TERM investment out there, anyone buying into the big ticket recessive mutations i.e. Genetic Stripe, Lavs, Pieds, xanthic to name a few will be on top for a long time...

Great topic...

My small change worth

First, there is no one morph that is the best.
If you'll notice though, a lot of people who are spending real money on Ball python morphs are going with Spider & Mojave, among others. You want & need the albinos, ghosts, etc, but they're getting Spiders & Mojaves. I think Caramels and Lavender albinos would be great too. Genetic stripe would be a very close second in my opinion. The Lesser Platties and such are at another tier above that where the real big money is spent & made. That's where the quickest, largest return is right now, in the Co Dom morphs, and the absolute most expensive animals money can buy. It's like buying insurance because very few have that morph. But there is good money in just about everything right now, it all depends on how much you have to spend. If you want to make real money, you have to spend real money. But it's worth it. To a certain degree it doesn't matter which one, what matters is how well into the morph you can get, or again, how much you can spend. The more you can spend on a particular animal or morph, the better off you'll be in the long run. You WANT to buy it when it's the most money, because that's when you will make the most money in return ! Look at the comparison of buying a Super Pastel male as opposed to buying a pair of Pastels with the thought of making your own Supers (damn it!). Lets say that you can buy a Super for $10,000, and a pair of Pastels will be $3000. A difference of $7,000. A lot of money right? Ha! OK, it'll take at least 2 1/2 years for the female Pastel to reach breeding size, in the best case scenario. Then they breed & what if the resulting Super is a female ! Now you have another 2 1/2 years to finally get to the male Super you could have bought 5 years ago, probably more like 6 or 7 years because we all know things don't go as well as we'd like some times. Even if it's not a female, you still have to look closely to your oppertunity costs - or should I say LOST oppertunity costs. You do have the income from whatever the male produces with any females you breed it too, but if your breeding it to normales, that's 50% Pastels, where males go for about $1000 and females $2000 ONLY. If you had spent a mere $7,000 more (you cheapskate!) you would be producing 100% pastels with every normal female it bred too, so how much more would that be? And now, if you spent a little more and got a female Pastel the year earlier or at the same time as your male super, you could be producing MANY more Supers in that same 2 1/2 years (hopefully) than you would the other way. More money all around. And if you did have other morphs you could be breeding him to them (the females) and be WAY ahead of a lot of people who are breeding regular pastels to the same morphs. What if you also had that Spider? What would the difference in income be when breeding that Super to the female Spider (cheaper than a male spider BTW)? Can you say Killer Bee ! Better than a Bumble bee I'd say. The same kind of comparison can be made for buying now instead of waiting a year. So in essence, the more money you have to spend the better. Or, put another less obvious way, the more money you can spend - on a particular animal - the better off you'll be. In the case above, you'd make far more than the $7,000 difference between the two by spending it now. And you'd have a SUPER to look at in your collection the whole time !!! It amazes me that the same people that think nothing of buying a $30,000 car would balk at investing that same money in Ball python morphs. Even if you didn't breed them, how much does the value increase in these things as they get older? Do they double in a few years...triple maybe? Where else can you double or triple your money in as short of a time period ? Your car wont ! Frankly, these are the best of times right now and what a lot of people don't realize is that money is very cheap. Now is the time to invest in morphs of any kind - as long as you have the proper facilities first !!! (had to throw that in)
Thanks for letting me ramble !
Paul Edwards
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