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First Elaphe Dione Cherskyi clutch of the year ...

wim Apr 25, 2004 06:15 AM

The first Dione this year, 24 april 20.00 hour, has layed 7 good eggs. The Cherskyi is the first. We also hope for
Altai, China, Normal.

See:
http://www.elaphedione.com (Click on Pictures > Cherskyi > Scroll down) (also see News)

We waiting for the rest.

The 3th egg

The 7th egg


This look really nice, wait for 25 days.

Dione site

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Greeting from Wim (www.elaphedione.nl), Amsterdam.

Replies (6)

Terry Cox Apr 27, 2004 04:47 AM

Nice snake, Wim. That's good info too. 25 days is a fairly long time for the eggs to hatch, close to the 30 for my South Koreans. Keep us posted on when they hatch and some pictures of those babies. Maybe someday we'll get that race over here in the U.S.

Luck....TC.

wim Apr 28, 2004 03:38 PM

Hello Terry,

Nice to hear from you again.
Soon we hope to get more eggs from the "normal", China (2 females), Altai and Caucasus (male)/normal (female) crossbreed.
We think that they will hatch about 14 may, after 20 days. Of course we give a notification for more eggs and newborn on Kingsnake.

How are you doing with the Diones?

Greetings Gidi & Wim.
Dione Site

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Greeting from Wim (www.elaphedione.nl), Amsterdam.

Terry Cox Apr 28, 2004 09:53 PM

Wim...my South Korean female is 2.5 yrs. old this spring. I decided to wait until next year before breeding her. These are the only dione I'm working with now, but I have bred central Chinese and Ukrainian before. The Chinese took 30-32 days and the Ukrainian hatched after only 13 days. Hatching rates is one of the ways the localities are different. The South Korean dione hatched in 28-30 days. The last clutch I got in 2002 was 16 eggs, the largest known clutch for any dione according to Schulz. The female also reached 46 inches, the longest individual that I know of. Keep us posted on any breeding info you get along these lines, if you would.

Thanks....Terry

arinin Apr 29, 2004 02:11 AM

Wim!

I congratulate you with first clutch!

Terry,

Hatchling rates depend on temperature of incubation too. It may be near 1.5 month and 18-20 days.

Best regards,
Ivan
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Ivan Arinin
ICQ 151665951
E.g. guttata Normal 2.3
E.g. guttata Albino 2.4
E.g. guttata Oketee 2.0
E.g. guttata Hypo Oketee 1.1
E.g. guttata Albino Okeetee 2.2
E.g. guttata Ghost 2.3
E.g. guttata Motley 2.2
E.g. guttata Albino Motley 2.2
E.g. guttata Anerythristic 2.2
E.g. guttata Snow 2.4
E.g. guttata Creamsicle 2.1
E.g. rosacea 2.2
E.g. emoryi 2.2

E. persica black 3.4
E. persica brown 2.1
E. longissima 4.6
E. situla 3.3
E. dione 54
E. bimaculata 4.3
E. quatourlineata 10.15

E. o. obsoleta yellow 2.2
E. o. lindheimeri White Sided 2.2.
E. o. lindheomeri Leucistic 1.2
E. o. lindheimeri Black Orange 2.2
E. o. quatourlineata 1.3
E. o. quatourlineata Deckerti 2.2
E. o. quatourlineata Williamsi 1.0
E. o. rossalleni 2.2

Langaha madagascariensis 2.1.12
Cylindrophis ruffus 0.1
Enhydris plumbea 1.0

Terry Cox Apr 29, 2004 06:03 AM

>>Terry,
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>>Hatchling rates depend on temperature of incubation too. It may be near 1.5 month and 18-20 days.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>Ivan

Yes, but breeders usually employ the same methods with each snake, so it wouldn't vary much for you, but might with someone else if they have very different methods. You need to know the incubation temps, for sure. We usually try to keep 82*F. for a high, but it goes down at night to 78* to 82*F. I found the hatch time is almost always within three days each year. Chinese take the longest, as much as 35-36 days; Ukrainian, as little as 13 days. I do think the location has a lot to do with incubation times, and 'dione' is extremely variable. Anyway, just a variable to look at that could give us some information.

Good luck with your breedings this year.

TC

arinin Apr 29, 2004 09:42 AM

Yes, i only mean that T is important factor.

Thanks for good words, but yet i have only 7 normal clutches. I dont know what will be happen at this autumn.
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Ivan Arinin
ICQ 151665951
E.g. guttata Normal 2.3
E.g. guttata Albino 2.4
E.g. guttata Oketee 2.0
E.g. guttata Hypo Oketee 1.1
E.g. guttata Albino Okeetee 2.2
E.g. guttata Ghost 2.3
E.g. guttata Motley 2.2
E.g. guttata Albino Motley 2.2
E.g. guttata Anerythristic 2.2
E.g. guttata Snow 2.4
E.g. guttata Creamsicle 2.1
E.g. rosacea 2.2
E.g. emoryi 2.2

E. persica black 3.4
E. persica brown 2.1
E. longissima 4.6
E. situla 3.3
E. dione 54
E. bimaculata 4.3
E. quatourlineata 10.15

E. o. obsoleta yellow 2.2
E. o. lindheimeri White Sided 2.2.
E. o. lindheomeri Leucistic 1.2
E. o. lindheimeri Black Orange 2.2
E. o. quatourlineata 1.3
E. o. quatourlineata Deckerti 2.2
E. o. quatourlineata Williamsi 1.0
E. o. rossalleni 2.2

Langaha madagascariensis 2.1.12
Cylindrophis ruffus 0.1
Enhydris plumbea 1.0

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