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I looked on classifieds and didnt see any. How much should I be looking for pay for male and females? Do you all think this is a good way to get albinos being that they are only poss? Am I right thinking I should get all the poss hets from the same breeder to increase the chances? Also should I get 100 het male how would you guys do it with poss hets?

You should probably go with a 100% chance het male since they are pretty reasonably priced. It will increase your chances of being able to produce albinos over a pair of both 66% hets by about 22%. Also, if you don't produce albinos the first generation then you will at least know that the normal looking daughters they produce are 50% chance hets so keep them back and try again the next generation.

It shouldn't make any difference in your odds if you get the babies from the same breeder or even the same clutch. As long as the breeders are honest and don't have any way to tell het babies from non het babies then it is a purely random selection from any group of 66% chance hets, even across breeders.

This is what I thought. Breeder has a litter some albinos and all the norms are 66 het so like one of the norms is def het so if I got like 3 of say 5 66hets from this one litter my chances are great. Now if I get 3 hets 1 each from a different breeder then my chances are only 1 out of how ever many norms each breeder has.

It does not matter at all if the babies come from the same clutch. Not one bit. The percentages you see do not allow you to make that conclusion. All they tell you is the probability that each individual possesses the trait. You could get ten 66 percenters from the same clutch, or one from ten different clutches and your odds are exactly the same. Each Baby has a 66% chance of possessing the trait, regardless of how many you buy from one clutch. What you mention is a huge misconception that has been passed on. Good luck!
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I think that there are several reasons this misconception is so popular. A lot of the blame has to go to statistics being a concept that many haven't studied and the confusion over applying the Punnett's square to clutches rather than individual egg.

However, I think it has also been promoted as the best way to deal with the sporadically visible het pied issue (which as far as I know doesn’t happen with albino). In lines that show a marker it would be difficult to sell the ones without it as full chance possible hets and you can't sell the ones with it as 100% hets. When most didn't know about the marker how did you decide which possible hets (with or without the marker) to send to Joe Blow when he calls up to order one? One-way around these problems is to promote selling entire clutches as groups. However, even that isn't perfect because who gets the clutches with more markers and who with less?

Yeah, LOL. It drives me nuts when I read a post that says 3 out of 4 babies will be this, or 25 % of the babies should be this. I even remember I guy a while back so excited because he knew that his clutch of 8 eggs from a het to het breeding would have at least 2 albinos. What we need is for all of the helpful, but misguided sould out there to stop giving this kind of answer to genetics questions. I swear, if I see another "1 out of 4 will be yadayadayad..."......... OH well, what can you do.....

There is no guarantee that one of the 66% hets in any litter is a het. Each has an independent chance and just because they are in the same litter that chance doesn't increase over any group the same size of randomly selected 66% chance hets.

I think a lot of the confusion on this subject comes from people thinking the Punett's square applies to clutches when actually it's giving the chances for each egg. The conception of each egg is a separate event from a pool of thousands of sperm so it doesn’t mater if two eggs where conceived in the same mother or not, the chance is the same for each with the same parental genetics. If you pick 3 eggs from three different het X het clutches each has a separate 2/3 chance (66%) exactly the same as if the three eggs happened to come from the same clutch. It doesn’t matter if they where the only 3 normal girls in a het X het clutch, each still only has the same 66% chance.

Your chance of finding at least one het albino in any group of 3 untested 66% chance het albinos (i.e. 1/3 chance not het) is a little over 96% (1 – (1/3)^3). If you get the three from this clutch and an unrelated 100% het male you will have an excellent chance of eventually producing albinos if you can grow them all up, breed them all, and hatch the eggs. I wouldn’t worry too much about the sisters being related to each other as you could then purchase or trade for an unrelated albino male to breed to the ones that prove het and any of the albino daughters or possible hets you keep.

I would get a 100% het if I were you. with a 66% you can't be guaranteed that it will have the gene to make an albino because some of them will be normals and some will have the gene but you can't tell which is which. And it would suck to spend the time to get them up to breeding age/size just to find out you had the normal one.
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