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I just hatched the first US bred Fires(visible het Leucistics) here at Constrictors Unlimited. This was from a Fire to Normal breeding. The result was Fires and Normals. Here is a pic of one of the Fires with a normal sibling fresh out of the egg. I can't wait to see what they look like after they have shed.

Mike

eehhhhh I shouldn't say it..... but its eating at me so I will. Huh? looks like a couple of normals to me!! Then again it could be because the ?fire? hasn't shed yet, if you have pictures of an adult that would be nice to see.

Nice.
Now you are a proud papa
Please post pictures after shed.
Made in the USA!!!
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Where ever there is Fire, there is usually SMOKE...

I got the privledge of watching this clutch hatch, and the difference between Fire and Normal is like night and day.

Way to go Mike!

Got any mirrors to go with that smoke.........???

Very cool.

Would you say that the fire's tend to have reduced patterns? The few I'd seen before where banded types with narrow bands. This baby sort of looks like a black back with narrowing of the pattern to leave more yellow down the back.

Of course I'd still love to see a comparison pic of the bellies.

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Nice possible hets........

They both look like normals to me.

np
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......yet sorta true.........it is just a het? right.......and for $75,000 and a name "fire" you would think it would be red and do tricks?............

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yeah. I was kinda mad at the name to. Its probably the Nicest looking het you'll ever see though.
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1.1 Feral cats that we adopted (Fuzzy, and Bear)

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I also think it's funny that the price tag on a "dead end" morph is so high...Especially the hets for it...

Thanks alot,
Robert Remendowski

the price tag on a "dead end" morph

What exactly is a "dead end" morph?
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"Dead end" is something you cannot cross with any other animals... albino X pied = will eventually equal an albino pied... pied X lucy = will eventually equal a pied lucy but it will look no different than a lucy... you know what I mean by "dead end" now...

Thanks alot,
Robert Remendowski

The Fire ball by it self (since its dominant) can be crossed into anything else, just like pastel. What if an albino leucistic is a solid light pink snake with red eyes, like the leucistic albino Texas Rat snakes? breed a leucistic to a super pastel and get all Fire pastels. There are just as many options of crossing with the Fire that there is with Mojave or Pastel.

How do we know what the genes act like together if they have never even been paired up? Have the lucy's been crossed into anything else? No, so how can we predict that all crosses of all genes will result in "dead-end", all-white animals? Isn't half the fun just trying and seeing what hatches out?

Thanks for taking the fun out of that. What a downer.

Yeah...say u cross it with an albino and get a completely yellow snake...that would be cool but it would defeat the purpose of the Lucy...They only thing I can see happening with them is somehow creating them with different eye colors, which would be cool...there is already blue eyed and black..what's next?? I think the best value in them is all the genetics they contain...RDR breed his lesser x phantom to produce one so maybe if you breed a blue eyed lucy to a normal you'll get platty's, lessers, phantoms, ghosts....what else...that's why they're so much...nice pic mike

My point is, do we know for 100% sure that a lucy x everything will ALWAYS result in a pure white snake? As far as I know, lucy's haven't been crossed into any other morph. Therefore we don't know. And if we don't know (which we don't), then how can we comment on it? Shouldn't the proof be in the pudding, and not by the peanut gallery who doesn't even own a part of this morph?

Just my 2 cents.

snake and congrats!

Debra and Diana
Camlon Reptiles

i want one, that is one awesome snake. Whats the going rate this year?
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0.1 "Tremper" looking Albino Leopard gecko (Lex)
0.0.1 tiger crested gecko (peachs)
1.1 Feral cats that we adopted (Fuzzy, and Bear)

My image Gallery

Nice looking snake Mike. Congratulations, thats a great accomplishment to be producing them so quickly.

Mark

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>>I just hatched the first US bred Fires(visible het Leucistics) here at Constrictors Unlimited. This was from a Fire to Normal breeding. The result was Fires and Normals. Here is a pic of one of the Fires with a normal sibling fresh out of the egg. I can't wait to see what they look like after they have shed.
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>>Mike

I fully support this project unlike many others on here. I have been involved with yellowbellies before anyone who IS anyone even second looked them, but then you have the ivory, then you have the yellowbelly pastels, etc.....those are some smoking snakes arent they? Well who are these people to say that a fireball x pastel isnt gonna be the next big thing? Or a fireball albino? Lets leave the lucy out of this for now, as weall know that in twenty years, the ones who have huge colonies of them will be banking more thnan in the next few years as quantity and price reduction means it goes into pet stores and sell like hot cakes. Ever think of the possibility of an albino with tons of orange blushing in the white between the normal yellow? That would be a awesome looking snake.....and who else is to say that a fireball x mojave wont produce a purple snake? or something outrageous? People grow up and let the breeders do what they are meant to do. Provide you with uncontrolable drooling sessions.
I can show any of you what a yellowbelly looks like and call it het for ivory, and I bet you guys would say , I have ten like that, or whats the normal and the "het"? Well that just goes to show you guys that you have NO idea what you are talking abou much less looking for.
Its not a yellowbelly cause of the color on the belly,its just a name since "lemon" was already taken. Well before I keep rambling at others ignorances let me just go away with this.......

Back in the 80's a company called Zoological Imports recieved a snake with white blotches on it for 8.00 from the infamous Noah of Greyhound Enterprises in Africa among a few thousand other balls.. This snake was seen by many of YOU and said to be a burn, scars, etc, so the snake was only sold for 150.00 to a employee that worked there. Then the employee sold it to Ernie Wagner for about 300.00
Well then brian sharp picked it up, then it went to pete kahl.
What you just read is the story of the first PIEDBALL Ball Python to enter the U.S.
aLL OF YOU THOUGHT IT WAS a natural defect that was not genetic, etc.
All of YOU were wrong.....
And sadly history has proven itself over and over, and over.....
Your famous pastel....its a high yellow, that will fade away....well one of the people you drool and admire over, produced it genetically and now hundreds of you own one, and thousands would love to.

So do not go bashing peoples projects with out any knowledge of whats going on. A dead end morph?? Well maybe after a combo with a albino to produce a pink snake, etc but in the long run its going to be a HUGE money maker. If you produced a few hundred and sold then for 200.00, trust me people in REAL reptile stores will buy them up at 300.00-400.00
Dont forget about the world wide market. Japan would probably buy hundreds and hundreds of them for the price someone here SETS.
THEY LOVE WHITE SNAKES and love ball pythons. It might be dead end for only a few new morphs, but after it is crossed with a chocolate ball you ll get choclate leucistics(purple snakes???), het chocolate x fireball which in its own right will be crazy as the het chocolate isnt normal and niether is the fireball.
Then use those for something else? Come on people, dead morph????
Not yet anyways......

My two cents.
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