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here's a pic of one of my two albino pyro males with a normal female. he did good work this spring, i bred him & the other albino male to a number of females, and so far i have 12 eggs from het females and 7 eggs from normal females, and another clutch or two to go.

i thought this picture was nice because it gives a good look at the coloration on the albinos (amelanistics): you can see that the rings that would be black in a triad are pure white on the amels, whereas the center ring in each triad, the ring I suppose we think of as "white" on wild types, is actually creamy white, not snow white. The contrast of those rings with the adjacent white rings is easily observed.

the picture accessed by the link below shows my hypoerythristic -- "anery" -- male with a normal female. He also did a good job, I have 2 eggs from a het hypoerythristic female, 7 eggs from an applegate special female, and 10 from normal females, and a clutch or two to go.

remarkably, about half my pyro females are showing signs of ovulating again.

terry dunham
albino tricolors
st pete florida

click to see hypoerythristic copulating

Terry,

Nice photo's and a challenging project, keep us posted.

Tad

Great project, so snow pyros. in 4-5 yrs.

>>Great project, so snow pyros. in 4-5 yrs.

thanks guys. see the post maybe two threads above this one, about another pyro cross, and the challenges facing the kingsnake community and especially the pyro community in naming these types.

"Snow" pyros ought to be the double-homozygous albino and anery pyro, but as noted in the thread above, the current "anerys" are in fact hypoerythristics--considerable erythrin influence persists (as is true, but to a lesser degree, with "anery" hondurans--read the "ghost" thread above). So just as "ghost" might or might not be the right label, "snow" might not be right for the albino & "anery" animals we should see in 4-5 years or less.

On the other hand, if you were referring to the applegate & "anery" double-morphs, that's a different issue. In the "ghost" thread i suggest some shortcomings in naming morphs for people--you can read that thread and decide, i'm hoping people volunteer a lot of their thoughts there. But what WOULD the applegate & "anery" (hypoerythristic" morph properly be called? Some people refer to applegate specials as "candycane" pyros because the red and white rings are so much like a barber's pole or red and white peppermint candycane (with the noted exception of the melanin on the head). So would the precise descriptive term be "candycane AND hypoerythristic" or can we come up with something that more neatly--and logically--packages that combination into something people would usually recognize? It's a challenge, because some of the early corn snake morphs set the pattern for other colubrid morphs that followed, but i'm not sure how that Elaphe crowd handles hypoerythrism, if it's a factor in that community.

Hmmm.

peace
terry

I have noticed the cornsnake crowd has anerythristic "A" and "B" and have seemed to have accepted that terminology. maybe it's glossing over the same type of "problem" you have encountered with hondos and now pyros. Is it possible that the hypoerythism isn't so pronounced (and not recognized?) in the corns because the "wild" phenotype is not nearly as red as hondos or pyros?
I have noticed after a shed in the ghost brooks morph a pinkish hue, I do not know if it is iridescence or "not a true ghost"- since we have the Llemke line and the "New England" line of anery in brooks- what is real anery and what is hypoery? I think it's possible that what you're seeing may be more widespread. Where is Dr Bechtel?!
Dave B

Hey Terry,
Did you breed the hypoerythristic male x an albino female this year ?, or do you have an albino female that was ready this year ?. If not, and the dh snow-(thats what I'll call them for now, unless you guys switch the name on it later) arent produced till next year, it would be a 50-50 chance that they will be ready to breed in 4 years-( I have 2002 pyros that are smaller than some 03 pyros, as you know pyros have a very slow growth peroid, I know some dont but most do). Dont get me wrong, I think I'm more excited than anyone to see all the pyro projects go through. I was talking with Jason nelson on the phone yesterday and we were talking about this same thing-(snow pyros, ghost pyros,etc) and I said I doubt it will be for another 5 years and more accurately 7 or so years till we see a double morph for snow or ghost. Especially since we have a 1-16 chance of getting one from dh x dh, and with a average # of about 3-4 on pyro clutches, we might watch alot of clutches hatch. But then you'll have the hypos poss. het-hyporythristic, hypoerythristics poss. het-hypo, albino poss. het-hypoerythristic, etc, etc., that will enhance the chances of getting to the double morphs. And as for the Applegate being called something-(shannnon said it didnt have a name yet, I think the term Applegate phase fits well. I also think candycane pyro would have been a better one, but I guess Bob didnt think so) so double hets with the applegate would be just that-double het for albino-applegate, or hypo-applegate, -(which I think I'll do next year, by breeding my hypo sentz female x the applegate male-now this wont be that much of a dramatic doible morph, as the only changes really would be a coffe-cream color head cap instead of the normal black head cap, but pyros are my favorite snakes and I'm excited to see all the new things with them) anyways, thats some of my thoughts on it, probally doesnt help at all but did want to participate a little.
Jeff Teel

PS- I'll post pics of my sentz hypo female breeding x a het-anery-(hypoerythristic) male. Shes really gravid right now, probally will enter her pre-egg shed soon, she double clutched last year and looks in even better health so the chances of that are likely possible again for this year. I just hope she lays a GOOD first clutch this year.