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The add says hypo to the Normal form. Hypo was used as the short form to Hypomelanistic. Hypomelanistic is the reduction of melanin. The add does not state anything about genetics, just the color. It appears that some just may be unhappy with life and use this forum as a vent. If your having problems, I hope things will get better. If you need a friend then let me know. Sometimes it is hard to see good in a world with so much evil. But in the long haul its worth it.
Chuck

Under current(within the last 10 years) definition of boa hypos any animal that has less black pigment than the normals is a hypomelinistic creature. All of the so called real hypos, by that I mean all of them, were created by breeding lightly colored animals to other lightly colored animals, bam... hypos. This within the text of BCI types including Hoggs. Since its proven that HIB hypo is passed to offspring in the same manner as all other BCI. Now if you're talking BCC like pure-bred Suri's, their black reduction has really just begun. These are "like-breeds-like" projects. Granted, the Suri in question isn't nearly as light as available BCI hypos- bunt does ANYONE have a purebred hypomelinistic Suri that is considerably lighter? Probably not. Now, the rest of this is going to really going to rub some the wrong way.. but its only my opinion. Currently available hypos are only lighly colored animals. They picked up hypo labels to sell snakes and since no recessive trait hypos were available at the time nobody cared. I think we have a legitimate hypo in T albinos. They look most like what I think hypo should be. Furthermore, Chuck's Suri is very nice and also, under currently accepted terms, a hypomelinistic boa. If you don't like this snake, all you have to do is not buy it.
Later-
Matt Schubarth
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I do not think that you will rub people wrong with your post. You are well respected here as well as in the industry. The animal was put up for offers not to mislead or to scam. If that was the case I would have said the scar would be gone in a couple of sheds. All of us know that does not happen in Boas. I thought it may be of interest to someone that may have a Male Suriname that is hypomelinistic to the normal form. This animal is a WC which does lessen, but not eliminate the chances it was a preemie or a umbilical twist animal. Both of these effect the final stages, which is skin pigment development.
Thanks for a positive attitude for the hobby.
We need it Chuck

(and,I'm smiling while I'm typing this,and,I'm not angry,annoyed,or,disgruntled...honest! )...you've just lost me on sooo many different points,I'm not sure where to ask for clairification first....down below,you mentioned "HM boas",and,"additive trait"...now,I'm WAY lost with "HIB" & "like-breeds-like",I like to think I can roll right on with the best of them in these discussion...and,please don't think I'm being mean,rude,or,disrespectful....but,what in the "cornbread hell" are you talking about!? can you explain these terms for me? the difference between loosely trying to adhere to a dictionary definition of the word "hypomelanistic",and,identifying a universal geneticlly inheritable trait,is a very wide swing into "left field",and,I need to know which direction to run if I'm going to have a snowball's chance of catching that "fly ball"...(I just don't understand the terms you're using here... )

the context of the previous sentence. HM is refering to hypomelinism and HIB is Hogg Island Boa. "like-breeds-like" is how I understand how BCI hypo is passed on the offspring. Example: If you have two boas of similar appearance, when bred together, would produce a high percentage of offspring that look like the parents.
The "additive trait" usage is best explained with a question. Which of these examples would produce the most desired offspring? (pretend that we all like high red)
1. Two normals
a. Probably not. They would have mostly normals, if you got lucky maybe some hidden red lineage.. one semi-red baby.
2. One high red and one normal
a. Better possiblity of some reds here. But most likely- a couple high red and a couple that are normal.. the majority would be intergrades of that trait.
3. Two high reds
a. The best bet. Probably some that aren't as red as they should be, maybe one or two that smoke their parents.. but most would look like their parents.

Bare with me here. For those who still don't have a clue what I'm talking about, here goes. Currently accepted "boa hypomelinism" isn't inherited like most other color defects, like albinisim and anerythrism through a simple recessive trait. It has gone from Co-Dominance to Incomplete Dominance to Complete Dominance.. but is probably incomplete dominance. Whatever the mode of transmition, boa hypo is different from other traits in how it is passed on to sucessive generations. Hypo can be expressed in offspring after the first generation of breeding. Also, while the other color traits require that both parents carry and/or express the trait for offspring to express it, boa hypo does not. This doesn't make boa hypo any less valuable. It is probably one of the most influential boa traits now available... also the easiest to reproduce. Honestly,
as a purist, I would much rather see a pure Suri hypo in the making, than another mutt- like the Hogg Island x Peruvians.

I really was just trying to understand where you were coming from...I think I got it now...all genetic anomolies are the result of natural mutative changes within any group of plants,or,animals...none of them are engineered in anyones garage...certain combinations of two,or,more,are of course orchestrated by human influence,and,are not very likely to occur naturally,and,I certainly understand what you're saying about subspecific crosses...but,intergradation has nothing to do with why mutations occur,they can occur in Surinames,or,Peruvians...or,butterflies,for that matter. the Salmon/O.T./"hypo" trait is not the same thing as what you are trying to describe in the "like-breeds-like" examples,and,no,it's not a case of simply breeding light colored boas,to other light colored boas...based on your examples,I think you are getting confused between various multi-allelic inherited traits,for which there are certainly patterns of transmission,but,much less accurately predictable,due to the complexity of their causes,than specific anomolies,or,biochemical defects(like color mutations.)that follow Mendellian theories.there are specific genetic anomolies that are thought to occur based on numerical odds,that are somewhat universal,in that,they occur in many different species,like albinism,and,hypomelanism,etc...the fact that what we call "hypos" doesn't behave in the same way as albinism,for example,doesn't make the genetic reality of it's occurence any less valid.

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Chuck,
given the commonly used/accepted label of "hypo" in boas (and that is after all, the context here) to mean a drastic reduction in melanin, specifically in the "tail" area and an overall lightening throughout the body transmissable in a statistically predictable manner when bred, your choice to call that animal a "hypo" is at best a mis-label and at worst, well... i'll leave that alone. You've seen hundreds if not thousands of boas and i think you know when you're actually looking at a nice CLEAN animal or something worthy of a denotion like "hypo" (again, especially in a community such as this one when that term really does MEAN there is an inheritable gene there).
To illustrate my point, let's examine the word "bad". Now, if I were to say to Joe Schmoe that boas are bad. Joe would take that to mean that boas are not good. Now, if I were to say to another boa enthusiast (who knew I love boas) that boas are bad. That enthusiast is going to agree and we'll probably have a conversation about experiences, etc... Now, if we're talking to Joe Schmoe who's never been to a boa classified site before and we say that an animal is hypomelanistic, he'll grab a dictionary and figure out that the animal in question has less black than a "normal" animal. Now, if I tell that same boa enthusiast that an animal is hypomelanistic, they're expecting to see something akin to a salmon/orange tail/etc... (even in the BCC form "from Suriname" which you CLEARLY do not have. And to say anything to the contrary is wrong.
Also, in your post above, you say "hypo to the normal form". Chuck... ummm... what the hell is that? Please, man! You don't think that the "normal" form includes that animal? On this forum alone, we see more animals that look like that then we do speckled specimens! So, that ain't flyin around here my friend.
As for me being unhappy w/ life, no. I've just been raised to do what's right and it chaps my @$$ to see others acting to the contrary. Calling a boa a term that it's not (especially one that implies reproduceable traits in a predictable manner) be it hypo or jungle or anery or whatever, is NOT RIGHT. And no matter how you take that context, you know what I mean. Good luck selling your nice, normal, clean, BCC.
jb
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