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About a week ago i got a call from a friend of mine telling me that there where some neglected AFT's in a 3rd grade classroom
i went by today and had a talk with the teacher, i told her i had over 12 years of experience with reptiles and how they where keeping there AFT's was wrong, so she let me take them into my care,
the male is a Tangerine and the Female is a Stripe
they're names are Taj and Sita

Here is the male

sita

temporary

Hey, good for you, not many people would go out of their way to do that. How where they housed at the school?

Lisa
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0.1 Hypo Leopard Gecko
0.1 Albino Leopard Gecko
0.1 Blizzard Leopard Gecko
1.0 Pacman Frog (Phatty)
1.0 Lovebird (Tony Montana)
1.0 Elkhound (Otto)
0.1 Malamute (Paris)
5.0 Bettas

Thank you Lisa
when i got there i was completely in shock at how they where being housed, 10gal tank, sand substrate feces everywhere a small half log hide and a 20watt bulb, no water dish, no calcum dish no humid hide, there was about 2 inches on retained shed on the males belly and on the tips of all his toes, same with the female, they we feeding them eat 1 moth a week...sad really....the minute i put them both in the tank..they scarfed dowm mealworms like there was no tommorow, the male ate 12 and the female ate 10, irst time i've ever seem a gecko eat on its first minutes home..

No water dish, my God, what are people thinking? They are really cute, I'm thinking about getting an AFT.

With my new guys after a long trip to see me I thought would take at least a few days to get comfy and eat. Nope, as soon as I put them in they went nuts and ate untill I stoped feeding them, lol, my little pigs.

Lisa
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0.1 Hypo Leopard Gecko
0.1 Albino Leopard Gecko
0.1 Blizzard Leopard Gecko
1.0 Pacman Frog (Phatty)
1.0 Lovebird (Tony Montana)
1.0 Elkhound (Otto)
0.1 Malamute (Paris)
5.0 Bettas

they just never did any research on on them, thats the ignorance and stupidity of some people, i guess they thought "if they die,they die, we'll just get some more" they had them for a good 4 months...i am shocked that they are still alive..

AFT's are fairly rewarding, very docile and like to explore, and are somewhat social, everywhere the male goes the female is sure to follow...they're even sleeping with eachother...the male has his leg over her and he is resting his head on top of hers...very cute..and they eat like pigs

Poor little things...I had a AFT before I got a leo....she was a real sweetheart...They can become VERY social if you work w/ them....one moth a week??? where did they get the moth??? outside?? thats just scarey...what a sad thing to teach our youth to care for animals this way in a classroom....you might want to keep an eye on them for internal parasites...hard to tell what kind of crap they may have been eating.

they got their moths from a fishing/sport store, i've been to it, they do sell live moths to use as bait for fishing, they work pretty well too...they are both going to the vet tommorow morning for fecals just to be safe

Hi

After you get them up to the proper weight that they should be weighing etc., you should take them back in and show that teacher what some good care and proper feeding can do for them.

TLB

thanks TLB thats a great idea and i will definatly do that,

adsfae

that set up is temporary??? it looks good enough to be long term to me. It appears to be the right size and it appears to have everything they need. Good job
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0.1 Hypo Leopard Gecko
0.1 Albino Leopard Gecko
0.1 Blizzard Leopard Gecko
1.0 Pacman Frog (Phatty)
1.0 Lovebird (Tony Montana)
1.0 Elkhound (Otto)
0.1 Malamute (Paris)
5.0 Bettas

Thank you AGAIN, lol
i was thinking about getting a 20gal for both of them, but now i may just keep them in that tank, they seem to like it,roaming around everywhere, in one hide, then in another a minute later, right now they're both sleeping on top of one of their humid hides..so they must be comfortable, lol

lol good to hear. My new little guys are sleeping on top of each other, bad? or good? I'm not sure, they each have their own hide but choose to lay on top of each other anyways, go figure.

Lisa
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0.1 Hypo Leopard Gecko
0.1 Albino Leopard Gecko
0.1 Blizzard Leopard Gecko
1.0 Pacman Frog (Phatty)
1.0 Lovebird (Tony Montana)
1.0 Elkhound (Otto)
0.1 Malamute (Paris)
5.0 Bettas

lol, if you put more than one lizard together they are bound to sleep on top of eachother, not a bad thing, that may actually get them more used to eachother

hopefully, because right now (besides sleeping on top each other) they seem to hate each other
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0.1 Hypo Leopard Gecko
0.1 Albino Leopard Gecko
0.1 Blizzard Leopard Gecko
1.0 Pacman Frog (Phatty)
1.0 Lovebird (Tony Montana)
1.0 Elkhound (Otto)
0.1 Malamute (Paris)
5.0 Bettas

I'm glad you were able to save them, great set-up too. They're adorable, good luck.
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-Britney

Primal Geckos

...umm...anyone else seeing the problem with that? What happens when the male breeds with the unhealthy malnurished female?.... I think you really ought to separate the two of them if you want to avoid possible death of the female...
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

females not an adult yet either is the male
dont question me, i know what i am doing,
female fatties are sexually mature at 10-12 months of age males are sexually mature at 9 months of age, so like i said, i know what i am doing, dont start a problem AGAIN christina
the female is no longer than 4 1/2 inches long, the male is no lonmger that 5 1/2 inches long, when a male is really to breed his size will increas to 9-10 inches and the female would be 8-9 inches, so dont worry, and keep the unwanted posts to yourself

aren't you one of the one's always complaining that people on here claim to know everything?.....don't question you, you know what you're doing........you were going to breed a leo that had a deformed jaw when it hatched...hello!...duh...
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

R O T F L M F A O oh man, that was great, when the hell have i ever came here and complained about somthing?? and argument is not an complaint.. you have got to be THE most immature person here...i never said i knew evereything, what the hell gave you that idea? you are the one who thinks she knows all there is to know just because you are a "pre vet" student that in no way means you know more than anyone on this forum, you are a NEWBIE i have been around hers for almost 13 years DO NOT tell me how to house my herps, you have had your leos for what? 3 months? and your telling me how to care for my herps?, i dont think so sweetheart, that female has an underbite, do you know how many leos i have seen with an underbite? who where bred for 5 years with not one ill effect, she was bred 2 times befor i got her, 18 of those eggs hatched perfectly, the breeder who she is from has been breeding leos longer than i have been alive, so he obviously knows what he is doing, you post to things like you know all, you think your all high and mighty, BULL[bleep], your all(except for a few(lisa,TLB,Dave,nevin,ericchen,leolover crystal,dusty etc..) a whole bunch of morons, and you all need to grow the hell up, think about the [bleep] you say next time you post, and yes i am cursing to get this account deleted, fauna is way better that this [bleep]hole

I never said I know everything...and I know I don't...I learn more pretty much every time I come on here...just because you have 13 years or whatever of experience doesn't make you the allmighty either bucko...I am not immature, I state my opinions and thoughts and what I've heard...how does that make me immature? I think you calling me immature and insulting me and swearing all over the place to purposely remove the posts from the forum is more immature than anything I've ever seen on the forum....
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

Just because others have bred deformed leos and your particular deformed leo was bred before doesn't mean that it is right to breed them...any responsible breeder of any animal knows to NEVER breed ANY animal that has ANY sort of deformity that is not caused by injury or illness...it's absurd that you are actually defending the breeding of deformed animals that will inevitably lead to more and more deformed animals within the captive members of the species... A responsible labrador breeder would never breed a dog with an underbite, and just because there are a lot of irresponsible breeders out there that do doesn't mean its right...why should it be any different for leos?...
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

And I don't know where to start correcting the errors in your reply to her.

African Fat Tail Geckos stress very easily. Whether you argue they are young or that they are old they do not belong together.
They are at least 5-6 months old from what you have stated. They may not be full size, but the male will be maturing now that you will be feeding them properly.

Learn to take care of your animals properly and show some respect to those that know more than you (that includes Christina, she's relatively new to this hobby which makes her seem brash but she can support her arguments)

This is two days in a row that I've felt the need to speak up to correct either your husbandry or your morals. I do hope you will take some time to evaluate each potential acquisition and take the proper steps to provide your animals with the care and attention they require and is your duty to responsibly provide.

You bought a deformed gecko with the intention of breeding it, and now you are housing a pair of malnourished rescue animals together which guarentees that they will breed. These two acts do not rate highly in my opinion.

And in response to your second reply to Christina, I'm glad you think the other forum is better. It is. And that is because they won't stand for the garbage you just spewed. I would strongly reconsider your words and actions, because you are not going to like it when you have to eat them.
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E2MacPets
http://www.e2macpets.com

steve, lol i have a strong feeling that you are upset at the fact that i never came to your table at the show, LOL
i understand that they stress easily, im not stupid i have had fatties befor, im done arguing with the both of you
thanks for the good laughts though
and steve, you never said anything about the husbandry of any of my herps.., i may have different ways of keeping my herps but they are very effective, it obviously isnt the wrong way, i have herps here that are over 8 years old that i have raised from when they where babies, as soon as i see any kind of sign that the male is ready to breed he will be taken out, that was origanally the plan, like i said up on on of the posts that i will be seperating them once i get a 20 gal for the female, that male is no where near breeding age either is the female. did you even read the post i posted last night about the rev stripe female on fauna steve? i dont want to argue anymore, so im going to bed

I didn't intend to insult you in any way...I've just had a terrible week and got only 2 hours (if not less) of sleep last night because of a chem exam at 8 am after having an exam for the lab section at 7 pm last night and a lab report due at 1 yesterday.....I've been in a chemistry hell and am just utterly exhausted and frazzled....I hardly even know what I've been saying when I've been posting half of my threads tonight. again, I'm sorry about that...and anything else you may have taken as an insult......I would appreciate an apology for the insults you directed towards me though...You are entitled to your opinion...and that doesn't bother me...but I really don't appreciate being insulted.
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.