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update on my uromastyx set up...

jobi Apr 30, 2004 07:21 PM

Sins I mixed my sand clay with top soil everything seems excellent, I only have about 8in deep however its crating a steady environment, the first inch is quit dry, moisture is trapped in the rest of the substrate, my cages temps are 85f lower to 92f with 145f basking and 115f basking at the other end of cage, the ambient humidity is kept between 75-80%, I hear you that’s way too much you think? That was my first impression too, but that was before I understood the different parameters, like under the basking humidity gets as low as 30%, then my uromastyx behaviours! They don’t seem to seek humidity by borrowing anymore and they shed easily, no more or very little salt on there nostrils and perhaps more important they look good have grate appetite and much more active then before.

Id like to emphasis on the fact that my cage is not wet, even if you dig to the bottom it will only be moist never wet, as someone mentioned on this forum wetness is a sure way to cause tail rot, blister disease and respiratory illness, therefore if you cant judge between dampness and moisture don’t chance it, stick to what works for you.

I have to say that reading this forum is making me think twice before posting, I really think new keepers shod stick to basic husbandry technique already proven.

Rgds

Replies (5)

MMommy2mygirls Apr 30, 2004 07:36 PM

Sounds like you got everything working good for you! Thats great!

I wouldn't be afraid to share you opinions..thats how we all learn. Just all have to be open minded enough to just learn from each other whether you choose to use someone elses ideas or not.

glad its working for you!
Renee

kriminaal Apr 30, 2004 10:17 PM

There is nothing i like better then learning something I don't already know.You mention the different humidity levels in the various areas of your cage.Sounds pretty good to me.I've always heard as well that humidity isn't good for most Uros.But I wondered why--their burrows are deep in ground where humidity is higher so it can't be true that any humidity is bad for their health. Thanks for the post
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Mike
1.3 mali
1.3 central banded gecko
1.1 veiled chameleon

jimbo May 01, 2004 09:11 AM

In their natural enviroment, there's very little humidity in the air (desert terrain). Not to say there isn't more in the ground, but it's not going to be much, as rain fall is a minimum. 75%-80% humidity is too much for long term. The original post mentions that he doesn't borrow for humidity anymore, I doubt that's why uros borrow. Mine are in low humidity and there's no salt issues around the nostrils, they dig no more or less, and shedding is not a problem. Basically, IMO, I think it might be too much humidity.
I do have a question for jobi, does he bask under the light that is at 145F? Whew, that's hot!

Happy herping!
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2.1 - Rocky, Runako, and RoxyIII

jobi May 01, 2004 01:15 PM

As I said aim new at uromastyx and these are my first semi-desert animals (no uromastyx are from real desert habitat) I did keep an ornate 11 years ago, I kept him 3 year hoping my wife who’d start loving my monitors, she never did however she really liked the uromastyx and cared for him. At that time I was to cut up in my other herp project and never really paid attention to uromastyx and chameleons in general, thinking of them as entry level reptiles (I know what a dork) now I understand these are perhaps the most awesome reptiles we can keep, anyways this little experience 11 years ago came back when my wife said why don’t you work with uromastyx the kids will love it?

Therefore I started reading about them (especially there habitat) also I read Douglas and Lindsay and these kind peoples really got my interest to its highest level, they paved the road for me to better understand these creatures, if it wasn’t for the extreme kindness and valuable information that Douglas so freely shared with me, id be up for years of trial and errors. You’re probably asking yourself Doug isn’t keeping his animals this way? Right he isn’t and he’s very successful, furthermore I strongly advise on doing what he says if you obtain uromastyx from him, but why am I doing deferent? Simply because aim not interested in copy cat Douglas, he was kind enough to open other doors for me, by telling me his success but more importantly telling me about his failures (not many breeders are honest enough to say these) this allowing me to focus on the problems of establishing the problematic species, aim having lots of fun learning the basics of understanding uromastyx biology.
If you want to learn something new don’t study the same books others have your likely to obtain the same results? I started with habitat, the funny thing is all uromastyx habitat used to be flood lands, rivers, swamps none of them live in real deserts and the thinner tailed species all have something in common, they prefer rocky hill as habitat, these are humidity traps, not apparent at first sight but a foot or more deep and water is trapped on the underside of every layers of flat stones, other species like Mali’s and Moroccans have very thick tails allowing them to endure dryness much more then ornate, Sudanese, Saharans, benties these species will dig as deep as necessary to get moisture, in captivity every one says these guys are bullet proof, they say these are the easiest to acclimate, this rang a bell and made me wonder if our husbandry is at fault.
To answer your question yes they use 145f basking, very briefly but they use it and it serve a purpose regulating gut flora (protozoa’s are killed at 40-50c) so when needed they use it. Also uromastyx borrow to support live (predation, temps, humidity) and safety from all of the above extremes. We think they love high heat because they come out when the sun is backing, however there morphology says otherwise! This is a delicate species with an armoured tail, I presume snakes to be there primary predator followed by birds, this is why they come out when it’s to hot for snake and other predators, and so what we think is a preference is really a tool for survival.
Theirs 1000 things we will learn about uromastyx in the next coming year, some will be amassing some futile but nevertheless fun and exiting.
Rgds

robyn@ProExotics May 01, 2004 12:34 AM

nice post. those are the kind of details and explanation that lead me to believe you have definitely "got" the idea, and i see that it is working for you. that's great, keep up the good work, and don't stop reading the animals
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