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I'll add this animal to the discussion on "extreme" hypos and "regular" hypos...

One of the issues is whether the "extreme" hypos will prove to be a new, unique allele, or just a strain of the same hypo hondo that's been around for years now...is the much lighter hypo just showing the range of individual variation possible in hypos?

I don't know, and of course test breedings perhaps this summer will give us greater insight.

But i thought this animal was interesting because it's really sort of midway between the excellent "extreme" hypos mike falcon first produced, and the "regular" hypos that are often nearly as dark as normals by the time they're mature (the animal in the pic is a breeding male hypo het/albino, 2002 hatch). He's a little darker than the extreme paul weaver posted here recently, but he does show the light GRAY color paul's shows (though not to the same degree) compared to the light TAN or flesh-color of the falcon animals. (have i got that right, paul? pls feel free to correct me or to elaborate)

Opinions? Has anyone else got adult hypos as light as this animal?

peace
terry dunham
albino tricolors
st pete florida

Terry,
Thats clean,I think you hit it with it being half way.I am sure with a little selective breeding you would get extremes from him.

Time will tell?

shannon
p.s. I have a male out on breeding lone that I will get a pic of.It is a pinner that is better than a normal but not as good as the one you just posted?

shannon wrote:
>>Thats clean,I think you hit it with it being half way.I am sure with a little selective breeding you would get extremes from him.
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YEAH, but if you're right about that, shannon, then the extreme is simply the result of multiple gene interaction, one end of the range that's possible with hypos, simply improved by selective breeding, but NOT a simple recessive. I think a lot of us are hoping the extreme IS a new morph, a simple recessive--if it is, then you can know that breeding extreme x het/extreme will give you half extreme babies; that the gene can be carried in typical hidden recessive fashion in hets; that extreme x extreme = all extreme babies, etc. it makes it much more predictable and manageable.

and jeph...

yeah, that's a real nice snake and very much similar in look to the one i posted the pic of. interesting.

terry

Hi Terry,
This Male hypo was produced by John Manser in 1999. He has a more of a dark grey color to him than a dark black-(as some adult hypos do turn an almost black color in the dark rings). And as with all hypos, this guys color-(the dark rings) down by his tail are a light,light grey. Just thought I would chime in here. Also, he is one of my favorite hondos.
Jeff Teel

Captive Bred Tri-colors

Hi Terry,

Several years ago someone bred the two different strains of albino black rat snakes togather and got all normal looking babies (hets). It sure would be interesting to see the results of a "super" hypo bred to a "normal" hypo Honduran...it's projects like that which make this hobby so much fun.

Tim

Third Eye

Terry,
You asked if anyone has an adult as gray as that one. This is the male grandparent of the super/extreme that I hatched out last year. I bought him from Steve Hammack. I don't know if the photo will show it, but he's a very light orange with medium-gray bands.

one of the female siblings to the super/extreme. She has dark gray bands.

>>Terry,
>>You asked if anyone has an adult as gray as that one. This is the male grandparent of the super/extreme that I hatched out last year. I bought him from Steve Hammack. I don't know if the photo will show it, but he's a very light orange with medium-gray bands.
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Can you post a new picture of one of your super/extreme hypos to show me what you mean by the "tan" color of the head? From the pictures that Shannon has posted of his, I always see the Falcon colors as looking light gray and I can't quite see the tan that you are talking about. The pictures that I posted recently of my hatchling are without using a flash just for comparison purposes.
Paul

>>Can you post a new picture of one of your super/extreme hypos to show me what you mean by the "tan" color of the head?
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Paul,

these aren't current--my female's on loan--but it gives you an idea what i'm talking about. In the pic that shows up with this post the head looks tan to me. in the other picture, at the link just below the pic, it still seems more tan than gray but i could imagine some people seeing it more as gray than tan. whacha think?

terry

click here for second photo

I remember seeing those two pics before, and they both looked like light gray to me, but maybe I am part color blind or something, I don't know