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I caught two California Kingsnakes and I have some questions.

MountainLyon May 05, 2004 04:06 PM

Hi folks, I did an internet search for kingsnake and I landed on the field observation forum first, then found my way here. So I guess I'll tell you how I came across the snakes.

In 27 years in Napa I'd never caught one kingsnake intil a couple days ago while turkey hunting on my Aunt's property. (I'll bet the non-native Rio Grande turkeys are eating some of our native snakes.) A dark black king with broken white bands came cruising right up to me while I sitting under a tree. It's about 2 1/2 feet long and was quite docile when I picked it up. I wanted to show it to my Aunt and she asked me to keep it for a few days until a photo shoot.

Yesterday, just a couple days after catching the first one, I found a second one on the other side of town at my Grandad's place. (What are the odds of that happening!?!) It's dark brown with complete bands and probably over three feet long. I kept it also, in case I now have a breeding pair.

So now the questions: How do I find out their sex? Spring came early here this year, is it still breeding season? Is it possible one or both could be gravid? Maybe a captive breeding program exists for releasing the young back into the wild??? How long should I wait before feeding them? Should they have heat pads? (nightime indoor temps in the mid 60s.)

Most of my experience is with a boa that I had for a few years and kept very healthy. Too healthy actually, she outgrew my closet cage in half the expected time, before I could move out. So I gave her to someone who lets her have her own room.

I know I need to keep kings seperated. The bigger one is in a rubbermade tub with a weighted screen over it until I get my other terrarium out of storage. I want to eventually release them right back where I found them. I just need to figure out if I should try to breed them first, give them to someone with a breeding program, or just release them after taking pictures and showing the neighbors kids that these are the "good guys."

Any advice is appreciated.

Replies (7)

Keith Hillson May 05, 2004 09:35 PM

Hello

It can be difficult sexing snakes if you have never done it before but males usually have a longer tapering tail and females tails usually are much shorter and taper off much quicker. Also if the snakes are 2 different sizes this way of sexing is more difficult. One thing you should consider is I believe in California you need a license to capture Cal Kings or any other native reptile for that matter. If I were you I would snap a few pics maybe show the heighborhood kids the snakes then turn them loose ASAP.

Regards,

Keith
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bluerosy May 05, 2004 10:08 PM

Well like Keith said you live in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia (PRK)and I am surprised they let you shoot turkeys out there. Not because of the turkeys but because of the ridiclous gun laws.
If you have any questions you can email me privately at :

Bluerosy@comcast.net

MountainLyon May 05, 2004 11:14 PM

and I see a lot of reptiles along N. Cal's lake and stream banks while I'm hookin' and cookin' hatchery raised trout and salmon. Especially around steep rocky areas, trout are below, crotalus, pituophis, and sceloporus above.

Thanks for the advice on sexing them. Still, I probably will release them ASAP. But they are just so docile, even the bigger one that was a bit nasty compared to the other when I caught it. I just want to do what's right for the snakes. I was considering releasing litters of young back into the wild but I've been informed that it might be illegal to do so.

Keith Hillson May 06, 2004 06:16 AM

Cool you have your bases covered I hate to see anybody get pinched for doing something harmless as catching a couple of Kings. If you do have a female she might be gravid. Im not sure how early the Cals breed with all that nice weather and it is spring. There is a good chance theres alot of gravid females looking for places to lay eggs right now.

Keith
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MountainLyon May 08, 2004 01:56 AM

I let the bigger one go right away after I learned I shouldn't release the young into the wild. I was going to release the other one as well, but it escaped a well taped cardboard box during transport and spent a couple hours inside the seat of the car until it moved enough for me to reach it without injuring it. I figured it meant that it wanted to stay. So I have a native pet king.

nategodin May 06, 2004 01:17 PM

Hi,
If you want to figure out their sex, you're best off bringing them to someone who knows what he's doing... luckily, I know of just such a guy in Napa. Look up Steve Emerick... I bought a pair of black milks from him a couple years ago, he's a nice guy and very knowledgeable. I'm sure he'd be able to probe your Cal kings, and you can check out his collection... from the pictures I've seen, it must be very impressive. Have fun!

Nate
Napa Valley Snakes

MountainLyon May 08, 2004 02:02 AM

Good to know for future reference but I don't think I need his help at this time, since I released one of them. If this one lays eggs I'll know it's female!

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