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I just read a thread below, and the poster said they'd never seen a pied female on eggs. Has anyone had success with a female pied in terms of laying eggs? Thanks.

Vincent
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By the way, just because I don't remember seeing one doesn't mean much. I've never actually seen a pied in person. Even the oldest possible captive bred females will only be 7 years old this year and I doubt there are many older than 4 years old this season. I just thought a big pied X pied clutch would be neat to see and don't remember seeing one yet. It was more of a comment that you need to think of any such possible problem with any new morphs.

There are many perils working with cutting edge genetics that I think many don't consider. I don't think it is likely that any particular morph will have problems such as a being fatal or infertile when homozygous, or two morphs that are linked making them difficult to combine, etc. but I just think that people should know these things are possible until proven otherwise. These and other risks are why the new genetics are so expensive, not all projects work out so the ones that do need to pay for the ones that don't.

Piebald is the biggest of my humble projects. My chances of producing one should increase every year. If I produce a female this year I would like to know that I can honestly sell her as more than just a pretty pet. Again, I don't think it's at all likely that there is a problem, I'm just asking for confirmation that there isn't.

Ok, I couldn't believe that someone didn't post a pic in the first 30 seconds (I guess this confirms that no one reads my long boring posts ) so I did some more poking around.

From the following article it looks like the very first captive bred piebalds where from piebald X piebald:

http://www.pkreptiles.com/pdf/articles/piebalds.pdf

Also interesting, it looks like this article was written in early 1999 and it only counts 18 piebalds in existence at that time. I guess it shouldn't be too surprising that only 5 breeding seasons later there wouldn't be lots of breeding sized piebald females yet.

Thanks Randy, I was starting to get worried for a sec.

I don't think it is likely that any particular morph will have problems such as a being fatal or infertile when homozygous,

Well this may be exactly the case in amelanistic Lampropeltis ruthveni. I have yet to meet a breeder that has had a homozygous to homozygous breeding.
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I don't think there as much homozypous to homozygous breeding with balls because so many people are breeding homozygous to normal ch females to make hets. The hets are much more economical to start with for a small time breeder and are easy to sell.

jeff

I think most of the hets from the morph males to normals are extras. If they had breeding size morph females I don't think they would breed them to normals to make hets but to other morphs to make morphs or double hets. If there aren't many pied X pied breedings yet it's probably because not many pied females are ready to breed.