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I just picked these two up locally tonight, and am trying to figure out what kind of pituophis they are. The lady who had them said they were both sold to her as male and female bullsnakes, but its quite obvious that at least one is NOT a bullsnake, and the other might be a cross of some sort.
They are both very small, supposedly 6 years old, but not even 4 feet!
Anyone have any ideas?
-cat
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My collection and herp photography
One looks like a bull or a bull x sonoran gopher intergrade; the rostral scale is too prominent for a pure gopher. The other looks like a Sonoran gopher. Were these snakes captive bred or wild caught?
>>One looks like a bull or a bull x sonoran gopher intergrade; the rostral scale is too prominent for a pure gopher. The other looks like a Sonoran gopher. Were these snakes captive bred or wild caught?
I do not know their history. Picked them up from someone local who couldn't keep them anymore, they bought them from a mom & pop pet store in WA.
-cat
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My collection and herp photography
The top one is a bull that maybe has some sonoran influence?The bottom one is a great basin gopher.
shannon brown
That first bull may have some sonoran, but who knows? The second snake looks just like great basin gophers that I have seen.
Sorry that the pair is not matching, but cool that you have two different snakes out of it though!
Billy
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Genesis 1:1
>>That first bull may have some sonoran, but who knows? The second snake looks just like great basin gophers that I have seen.
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>>Sorry that the pair is not matching, but cool that you have two different snakes out of it though!
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>>Billy
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>>Genesis 1:1
Eh, thats ok 
I knew they weren't a "pair" anyway. The Basin probed as a male-or at least I think he's a boy.. so now I have to find a female-AFTER I get my probing job double-checked. I've been known to probe wrong a time or two. 
-cat
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My collection and herp photography
the top one looks like a Sonoran, maybe with some Bull blood. The botoom one looks like Great Basin, could be an intergrade. Nice animals, but only as pets, I would not breed them since they are possible hybrids.
>>the top one looks like a Sonoran, maybe with some Bull blood. The botoom one looks like Great Basin, could be an intergrade. Nice animals, but only as pets, I would not breed them since they are possible hybrids.
I've had several people say the darker one is a great basin. I'm going to see about looking at a few and getting a better idea.
As for breeding, both of them are way too small anyway. The Basin probed 5 scales in, so I'm guessing its a male-couldn't probe the other one.
Seeing as neither one weighs over 500 grams at 6 years old, I doubt they are breedable.
-cat
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My collection and herp photography
Yes, definitely looks to be a Great basin. The one in shed appears to possibly be a bull/Sonoran hybrid?
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