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I have been giving this alot of thought. I love BRB's. So it seems natural to add morphs such as calico, hypomelanistic, anerythristic...or whatever.

But what I've realized, is that unlike many imperator morphs, BRB color morphs have a tendency to dull the qualities that I really love about them. I enjoy the richness of the colors.

So, I guess I won't be creating any ghost BRB's anytime soon. Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against morphology, I just enjoy it more in other species.

So why even bring it up? Because this is forum and I'm bored.

chris
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My favorite thing about the Brazilians are their skriking natural beauty. I wasn't all that fascinated with the hypos or albino. Albeit they are fantastic animals with their value is in the rarity of them, no so much as the beauty (which is in the eye of the beholder).

BRBs are one of the rare snakes where possesion doesn't equate to wealth, but rather the appreciation of natural beauty. The same cannot be said for others like Corns, BPs, Burms, Retics, Boas, and even Jungles these days.

This is just a matter of opinion and I will expand on this more when I have the time. Hope I didn't offend anyone.
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Imans House of Herps

I also like the natural beauty of the rainbows. Both of you had good points (just means I agree). The leucetic was my favorite of the pics floating around.

I prefer the brilliantly orange and reds with outstanding moons and dark eyes, ones with very black black.

The interest I have in breeding is to produce healthy, robust babies with outstanding color. I've got a long ways to go, but the last litter (and first) was just so incredible to observe that I'm afraid I've been hooked. Someday I would like to see some red or orange zig-zags.

Linda

If I were to see any of the morphs in person, I reserve the right to a new opinion.

that's a good point...i've just assumed that the camera accuratly represents these animals...but who knows...might be a different story in person.

i must say that the opinion i stated was only refering to pigment morphs not pattern...i'm very open to pattern morphs as long as the color is there.

chris
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I am also in agreement w/ most. It is hard to improve on such natural beauty. I mean The BRB reds or orange have so much color that I am afraid of morphs that might reduce the amount of irredesent rainbow I see. I look forward to every shed when my girl practically glows in the dark afterwards. However as sunshine stated I have not seen any of the morphs in person.
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. I love beautiful colorful snakes. They are, and rightfully should be more valuable than plainly colored snakes. There is, and again rightfully so an intrinsic value to something that is really rare. Many morphs of other species are not so attractive in comparison to normallly pigmented specimens. In the case of many many species' their morph versions are not rare. You can go look at the classifieds and find hundreds of people selling many different and also many of the same morphs. In light of the fact that in many species the morphs are less attractive than the normally colored specimens and they are not rare it surprises me that so many people are so enamored of them that they will pay what I think are rediculously high prices for them.
. Morph Rainbow Boas are a different story though. The EBV/Darin Bell hypos are IMO extremely pretty snakes. Some adults that I have seen and the one Celia posted here are especially beautiful snakes. The EBV/DB hypo BRBs have been around long enough and enough of them have been produced that they are no longer a "rare" snake. As more of them come into the hands of people who can breed them they will become even more common and prices for them will have to come down. Albinoman's amelanistic Colombian Rainbow is a very pretty snake. AFAIK his snake and possibly it's siblings are the only live amelanistic Colombian Rainbows in captivity anywhere. Also AFAIK there are no living amelanistic BRBs or PRBs in captivity. I believe that there is at least one amelanistic Argentinian Rainbow still living in a collection here in the USA. AFAIK this snake has been in the collection of a well known professional breeder for quite some time and I am surprised and disappointed that they have not reported any success breeding it. It may be that they have been successful and are keeping it under wraps until actual amelanistic babies are produced from breeding back heterozygous offspring to the amelanistic parent. AFAIK the very few other amelanistic Rainbows Boas that have ever been in captivity have not survived long enough to reproduce. Obviously an amelanistic Rainbow Boa is an extremely rare snake and they are so beautiful that anyone who can produce babies from them (which AFAIK will be the first CB amelanistic Epicrates) should be able to demand big money for them.
. There seem to be quite a few hypo looking BRB lines around. None of them I have seen are as strikingly hypo looking as the EBV/DB hypo BRB line. And AFAIK none of these other hypoish looking bloodlines have been proven to be heritable traits. I have one that looks very hypoish but even if it produces babies which look like it I will not be able to legitimately claim that it proves much anything this snake's hypoish looks. Most of we humans and our siblings look somewhat like our parents. This does not prove that we have any one specific allele that is different than everyone else on earth. We look the way we do because of a combination of a multitude of genetic codings.
. No comment at this time on any of the pattern morphs.
Jeff Clark

>>I have been giving this alot of thought. I love BRB's. So it seems natural to add morphs such as calico, hypomelanistic, anerythristic...or whatever.
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>>But what I've realized, is that unlike many imperator morphs, BRB color morphs have a tendency to dull the qualities that I really love about them. I enjoy the richness of the colors.
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>>So, I guess I won't be creating any ghost BRB's anytime soon. Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against morphology, I just enjoy it more in other species.
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>>So why even bring it up? Because this is forum and I'm bored.
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>> chris
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You speak like a wise man.

I appreciate you opinion and more importantly thank you for the lessons I can learn from it. I hope you are writing a book on Epicrates and will include all of these wonderful tidbits in them.

You keep us all very well informed on anything we post about and there is no replacement for the kindness you show.
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2.0 Ball Pythons (Spot and Speck)
0.1 Colombian BCI (Belle)
1.0 Colombian Rainbow (Rex)
0.1 Brazilian Rainbow (Just arrived!!!)

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Imans House of Herps

taking the black out of a columbian makes for a awesome looking snake...much better than amel imperators...IMHO... but i still like the dimension, the layers of color normal rainbows offer. i appreciate all snakes, but i can't help feeling that the hypos flatten the layers of color offered by normal BRBs. i guess until i can see the results of mixing some phenotypes...i'm just not into it. of coarse, my opinion on this is based souly on photographs....

chris
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In the Boa Forum you can see dozens of photos of Boa constrictor morphs that are refered to as "awesome", " screamer" or most nauseatingly as "investment quality". To me, most of these animals are only interesting at best--ceratinly not beautiful. Some are down right ugly, especially when they become mature.
But the recurring theme in the Boa Forum seems to be how much money such animals will bring--not how attractive they really are.
With rainbow boas I agree pretty much with all of the above posts--that a natural but well colored Brazilian rainbow is about as beautiful a boa that exists. Having said that, I would also add that SOME of the mutations are even prettier than normal animals. The leucistic, amelanistic and piebald Colombian rainbows are incredibly nice and are more attractive than a normal brown maurus. I would also say however, that MOST of the hypo BRBs that I have seen are less attractive than normal BRBs.
Lastly, regarding investment quality as a discriptive of a boa. I would venture to say that if you were to go to your banker and say that you wanted a loan for an "investment quality" boa that he or she would become the next "screamer"!

usaually means their investing in themselves...$$$
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The main question I had for myself and the reason I could not exactly finalize a statement unless saw in person was is do they still keep there iridesent Rainbow quality. Now I have a childrens python that right after shed has some rainbow to it. and he is neither orange nor red. SO does the hypo or albino BRB have the 'rainbow' shine to it? If it does than I would rethink my position....oh and I agree with the other post..whens the book?
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0.1 Leos
1.1 Corn snakes (1 Lav & 1 Ghost)
0.1 Banan California King
0.0.1 Childrens python
1.1 Brazilian Rainbow boa
1.0 Rat (as pet not food)
1.2 Ball pythons (1pastel 2 normals)
"whats with you and all those dang reptiles?"