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How well do wc white or black throats do in capivity? Am I better off getting a captive bred one, if I even can get my hands on one? Or is captive and wc as good as the other?

Always buy CB if at all possible, atleast you know what they have been through. WC's can do well but that depends on what you are expecting as doing well. They can grow and thrive with proper care, especialy the younger ones. But that doesnt mean they will make good breeders or will be able to breed at all or have a long life. It all depends on what your after and what your budget will handle. WC' sell for around 125.00 and true CB sell for around 300.00. Dont buy the BS that some people post CB from an importer for 150.00. Very doubtful they are truely CB.
Good Luck,
Robert

Better off with a captive, but WCs can still make good future breeders and even pets. I have seen wc juvies for 40 and true CB ones for 100. Mine was CB from a WC gravid female and I paid 100 for him. But captive bred ones are more expensive.

WC whitethroats go for a range of prices (extremely rare to find for under $100, but up to $300 or more). A true CBB comes from a very short list in this country or North America as far as that goes. Frank Retes at Goannaranch has CBB WTs, and there might be a rare individual once every several years that has a few, but ask for proof (pictures of eggs incubating, hatching, parents laying etc, and dont believe them if they cant prove it). There are so many adds stores and businesses that sell WC as CB imports etc and claim CBB just to make a bigger amount, and sell them faster. Pete Zuplich produced CBB WTs, Rob Faust had CBB WTs BTs and crosses, the st Pierres had some WTs CBB. The world is small when it comes to those who actually breed monitors.

Cost to produce is the reason that you don't see these captive bred more often . It cost a ton to feed them to get them to produce and it cost a ton to set up the cage correctly to do it .

Everytime you turn around imports are being sold as captive bred for below what it cost to feed the actuall parents and house them . The reptile buisness is full of people who will tell you anything that you want to hear and unfortually people who purchase monitors tend to be very good at buying the lies they are spoon fed.

We still have a small group of albigularis albigularis whose eggs we don't even bother to incubated every year because it isn't worth the time spent aruguing with people .

No one is going to sell you a captive bred WT/BT for less than $300

Stella
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Stella St.Pierre
www.bluetegu.com

I live in Lox too, right by you folks as a matter of fact. I'll incubate them for you!

Id need a few more incubators set up at the size of ours.
Ya, my 2 albigs are Faust crosses (WT/BT and WT/BT/WT crosses) and they were $275 and $245 delivered (Rob paid shipping for Shadow at Delta Dash, great guy). My female cant physically produce eggs anymore after being egg bound. I told the vet to remove her ovaries, that she was far too much a family member to risk losing her because I didnt have proper substrate that she would dig in at the time (took some experimentation), 44 eggs at 1.5 years old (5.5 ft and 21.5 lbs). I cant introduce mine as Sobek dislikes Shadow and would kill him.

You throw out perfectly good egg's? My friend had no problem selling his for the amount your talking about.

Heck I'd be willing to take the egg's off your hands, I'd even buy your entire clutch at wholesale.

Until there is someone who steps up and offers c.b.b. consistantly you can't be mad that others are buying imports.

You have a good reputable name I would see no problem for you to sell your babies.

I've stopped incubating dumeril's and ackie eggs and I haven't dug for caudo eggs in months.

It just isn't worth it.

I never said we through the eggs out , I said we do not bother to incubate them . First the 2 pairs we keep we do not encourage them to reproduce . As with every breeder our incubator space is limited ,these are huge eggs that take up a lot of space and the eggs take 6 months plus of baby sitting to hatch. In the space they take up and the engery they use there are much better things to incubate that are not being imported. Not to mention that the babies really need to be set up in seperate enclosures once they hatch each with their own hot spot and hide to do well (this is costly ) .

They are here because we like them and they are here to dispose of extra rats that are thawed out to feed the tegus since it isn't safe to refreeze them .
They are not kept on a feeding program to encourge them to reproduce but occasionally the females get to much food and decide to anyway and the males end up eating the eggs. Why ? see what I wrote above .

When I wrote what I wrote I was not mad or angry at all . I just made the statement of why they are not being captive bred .

It cost time ,effort , energy and money to reproduce healthy lizards consistantly and no one is going to keep doing it for very long if their profits are in the red and it causes them headaches to do so. You can't shove these lizards in a shoe box and mass produce them like some do with leapord geckos and cheaper snakes . Untill things change with the import of these lizards don't expect to see captive bred ones available consistantly like you do with Australian monitors and hybrids .

Stella
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Stella St.Pierre
www.bluetegu.com

then what do you do with them? let them sit as they lay and rot???

They are not all that hard to setup, and raise. I have done it many times over. I guess though I am more into propogating of a species then I am buying a new car.

There are alot of species still imported yet people can sell there c.b.b.. So your reason behind that makes no sense to me.

Basically you still have the adults you feed them still. But you do not incubate eggs therefor your actually losing more money then if you even tried selling them. So again your reason doesn't make sense to me.

Like I said if it is to costly for you, then give me the egg's or I'll buy the babies off of you.

Wow aren't you over stepping your bounds =P
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Stella St.Pierre
www.bluetegu.com