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Why doesnt anyone recomend dwarf chameleons as first chams.?
like the r.brev. they are very easy to take care of and breed easily enough and are a whole lot cheaper than any of the normal starter chams also you can keep them on your comp. desk in a 10-20 gallon tank if done right they would make an asteticly pleasing addition in your home!!

p.s. i wuv me b.decaryi aint they kool i gotsem in chicigo ......lol

Many of us don't consider them easy for several reasons. Almost all are wc and they will be trickier for a newbie to deal with. They are tiny and feeding or treating them for health problems is harder. Getting the tank setup working properly without ending up with molds, bacteria, overheating, respiratory problems, etc. also takes some experience that a newbie may not have. Pygmy chams can be hard to "read" visually unlike their larger brightly colored relatives...subtle changes in appearance because of sickness are easy to miss. And, many wc animals are acutally fairly old when collected as the larger animals are most likely to be caught. Most of them only live about 2 years max. I am leery enough about them that I haven't kept them yet...and I feel fairly experienced in terms of chams. Price is at the bottom of my criteria list.

err...wrong again! the r.brevs are not that hard to keep at all unless you are a complete moron! and unlike some PRICE IS ALWAYS A MAJOR FACTOR IN BUYING A PET!just as easy as a veiled if not easier

thanx and have a nice day

Hey - you need to lighten up and not think you have all the answers. I do not consider myself a complete moron and I lost a trio of brevi's last summer. As the long term posters know I had done my research for months, bought them from one of the most reputable breeders in the country, brought them to the vet at the first sign of trouble (yes, I paid the expense because I had taken on the responsibility the day I got them) and, as Carlton pointed out, they are not only difficult to recognize symptoms due to their size, coloration and general habits, they are even more difficult to treat.

We (myself, vet, breeders, KS forum posters) do NOT know what they died from. Their setup was fine, temps, humidity, etc. I was so baffled by this I was even going to the expense of having Bart, my last one to go, preserved in formulin because I found an out of state vet who was willing to do a necropsy. My car died on the way and by then it was too late.

I am the last one to start an argument on this forum but I have to say I am getting a bit tired of your self-righteousness. Read over your own posts – you always have “the answer” and the last word – and you are always right. I was interested in watching how this thread went but I had to step in b/c you called me a complete moron. To me a moron is one who is willing to take the life of an animal into his hands but have the attitude of maybe/maybe not go to the vet - because it is all about the money.

lele

I apologize to the rest of the forum for getting a bit out of control.

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0.1 veiled - Luna
0.2 green anoles Jaida & Jetta
0.1 brown anole - Jamaica the j sisters were sent to freedom last month
0.2 house geckos - Gaia & Tia (MIA
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Líta

lol first off i say what i know!i was just defending myself and possibly others that may or may not have the money to go to the vet or buy a $100- god knows how much for a chameleon ...lol
ive never clamed to know everything unlike some other posters
but what i have said has worked for me!!! if i dont know about something i usually dont post on it. but when people attack my posts becuase your book says something different is wrong if you dont have disproven any of my methods i'll listen and another thing people have had pets long before selfrightous people who say "if you cant afford a vet you shouldnt have a pet"and im sure they will long after!

by the way maybe my priorities are messed up but i would have my car fixed instead of getting my gravid chameleon x-ray'ed
or whatever you spent the money on...lol

p.s. maybe the post about the clique had more meaning then you are letting on so if you dont mind if you dont like what i say then DONT READ IT

p.s.s. and you can keep your smilys...lol

I'm probably going to kick myself later for giving you as much time and thought as I have...

First off, I found it interesting that you did not address anything I said except for the car/x-ray issues (which have nothing to do with each other)

Second, how were you defending yourself? Against whom? You began this thread and now I realize it is b/c you are looking for fight. Carlton is an experienced keeper and well respected member of this forum. He said nothing that could be taken as an attack, therefore no need for "defense."

Thirdly, you bring up the vet/money thing again when this has nothing to do with your original post. What attack? What book? What clique?

This is the last I will say on this so don’t think you have "won" when I don't respond. I really think you need to rethink your reason for posting, have some respect for this forum and the people who post here. I am sure you are quite young (and if not, well...)but even so, simple consideration can be had from even the youngest.

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0.1 veiled - Luna
0.2 green anoles Jaida & Jetta
0.1 brown anole - Jamaica the j sisters were sent to freedom last month
0.2 house geckos - Gaia & Tia (MIA
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Líta

Well lele,

The proof's in the pudding. All he needs is to show us his multi-generations of pygmies he's captive bred, and where they ended up, show us how long his animals have lived, and records of any losses AND THE REASONS. If he can't, I'd say we are done with this thread. If there is really a genius with pygmies lurking out there I wonder why we haven't heard about him before this, hmm?

i think not. i just love being double teamed it makes me feel so wanted but i got just 1 question then i'll leave you to your closeminded opinions what im getting from all of this is if someone has a different oppinion than you than it must be wrong
well guess what its not i kinda got ticked off when people twist the truth to suit their EGO'S the brevs arent that hard to keep unless you get it from the wild but the same goes for panthers veileds jacksons and everyother cham out there they have been captive bred for a few years and breed very easily so there are alot of captive bred ones for sale! so i guess the point of my posts are to try and bring my oppinions to light which may or may not be fact but they either work for me or i have witnessed them so if u dont want me to defend my oppinions dont attack my post becuase i feel that when you do that you are calling me a liar and that makes me defensive

oh and srry if i hurt your feelings
have a nice day

>>Well lele,
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>>The proof's in the pudding. All he needs is to show us his multi-generations of pygmies he's captive bred, and where they ended up, show us how long his animals have lived, and records of any losses AND THE REASONS. If he can't, I'd say we are done with this thread. If there is really a genius with pygmies lurking out there I wonder why we haven't heard about him before this, hmm?
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0.1 veiled - Luna
0.2 green anoles Jaida & Jetta
0.1 brown anole - Jamaica the j sisters were sent to freedom last month
0.2 house geckos - Gaia & Tia (MIA
0.2 felines - Kyndra and Líta

LOL...OK U WIN! WILL YOU PLEASE QUIT MESSING WITH ME?

have a nice day