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It seems everyone has come to the conclusion that we can't just keep on keeping on in Iraq. Its become painfully clear that the war effort is underfunded and severly understaffed. Some say send more troops, some say get out completely.

So lets have a poll (rodney loves polls!)

Should we initiate a draft?
Should we cut and run?

Who here would volunteer to go if they opened it up to all sorts and all (adult) ages?

I would never go with the draft idea. I just turned 18 about 2 months ago. I am not even out of highschool. I have too much ahead of me and know much too little about politics to get caught up in the middle of something I may or may not agree with later down the line. I would prefer to just keep my nose clean of the whole situation until I can eventually form my own clear-cut ideals apart from the social influences that have shaped my former ideas (that have been recently cut off, or at least minimized to an extent...what can I say...I am a teenager). All I know, is if there draft was reinstated, I would not be willing to die for something that I can not say is 100% right or wrong. I mean...there are reasons for being there and reasons to pull out. I may sound full of apathy and may sound like one of those people "that is wrecking the country and the system by no voicing my opinion or caring" but at this point, I just can't figure out what my opinion is. As I said, no on draft, and that is as far as I am going to say as that is as much as I know.
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First, I'd say your premise is wrong, I don't think we need any more troops there. Since we have only lost a little over 500 people out of 120,000 or so, in a year, I really don't think more are needed.

But assuming you are right, I think we would pull troops out of South Korea and Germany and send them to Iraq long before we would ever institute a draft. (The military doesn't want people, who don't want to be there anyway. They would not be nearly as effective as volunteers are.) And, since we are already paying to keep the 37,000 troops in South Korea, and however many in Germany, it wouldn't increase the war cost nearly as much as a draft either.

So I guess you'll have to add "neither" to your two poll answer options.---not an answer you wanted was it?

Rodney

You might want to double check you figures there rodney ol' boy. Making stuff up again, eh? Lets take another look at the number in theater and the number dead, shall we?

And if you think the US is gonna pull their reserve (emergency) troops out of Germany or S. Korea, your kidding yourself.

So now what? Continued delusion? That appears to be the Bush solution.

I have just over 200 dead from accidents (about average for a population of 120,000, in a years time, without war)

and I have just over 500 dead from combat.--so just over 500 is what I said wasn't it?

And I also have around 8,000 Iraqi civilians dead, vs. around 40,000-60,000 that Saddam would have killed in the same time period. So a savings of around 30,000-50,000 inocent Iraqi civilians.

So what numbers do you have?

And considering that the military has said they have more volenteers/re-enlistees than their goal, I don't see a draft happening anyway.

Rodney

Personally Rodney...I think you just dodged the (draft)(lol)question. To the point...please Niether is not really an acceptable answer from a "Hawk" like you.

Frank
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Actually I have been keeping my ear to the wind on this one, and have read some pretty scary things, I'll try and dig up the articles.

The Government is toying with the Idea of a new Draft, and it can be up and operational by June 15th 2005 I believe. They are no longer calling it the draft, the new name for it "from what I read" was the Registrant Integrated Processing System or R.I.P.S. for short Kinda scary heh?

Rodneys right "Did I just say that" They would pull troops from Germany, Korea, and every where else, BUT they would REPLACE them with those drafted, and send the "Seasoned" ones to combat.

With this war having no end in sight, its not hard to consider them having to reinstate the draft.

According to a "Stars-n-Stripes" "A military news paper" article I read, 55% of the soldiers interviewed said they would not re-enlist even with the Military offering a $10,000 reenlistment bonus.

Our Military is stretched very very thin @ this point.

I'd also like to add, that in G.W.Bush's "No child left behind act" that for any school to receive funds, THEY MUST allow military officers on campus to try and recruit new soldiers. Letting very few eligible draftees slip between the cracks.

The problem in having a "All volunteer" army is that when you start BOGUS wars, like the one in Iraq, few want to join up, and die for a lie. The only way to keep this up is to reinstate the draft.

As for SobeK, DODGE I SHALL, cuz They'll never take me alive

As you all know my point of view is that you shouldn't have gone to war with Iraq in the first place.

But now the child has already fallen into the well (German saying) and there is nothing one can do about it.

The decision between leaving or popping out of Iraq is the choice between plague and cholera.

In my opinion it would actually the best way to replace the U.S. army by U.N. troops. The problem is that this would probably the most extensive and expensice U.N. deployment in the history of this organization.
And it would be difficult to find enough countries who are willing to send troops to Iraq. Motto: The U.S. have made the mess and now they shall kindly clear it by themselves.
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and build a more involved coalition....

chris
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