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Iraqis cannot escape wars realities, why should Americans?

Fred Albury May 13, 2004 06:16 PM

The administration says that the worst of the pictures of ual humilitation and degredation from Abu Ghraib have yet to bee seen by the American public. What we have seen so far allready shocks us as American citzens. I have read a report that the worst to come involves women and . ? Possibly.

These photos should not be hidden from the American public. We cannot and should not shut ourselves off from the realities of the war that this country has chosen to embark upon. Iraq citzens live with this reality and the ugly truth everyday, both in members of their families killed(Women and yes children) and with depleted uranium used in missle heads and bullets that causes defects and malformed children% s in any war)
Lets see them, digest this, and get the whole thing over with.

Sincerely,

Fred Albury

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sobek May 13, 2004 06:30 PM

I've also read that there are pic's of US soldiers having sex with each other. Glad to know are tax $$ pay for their orgy huh.. Nothing like torturing people to turn one on..

The initiative has been lost!

misswindom May 13, 2004 06:47 PM

I have also heard and read (from sources NON-Limbaugh related) that many of the photos that are circulating originally came from a por n site that produces por n geared toward American soldiers raping Iraqi women. I have, unfortunately, seen enough stuff on the internet (you'd be surprised as to what can pop up on a websearch!) to know that this is very plausible, as different people get their kicks out of many different things. It's sickening, yes.

And, yes, Americans, as a people, do not understand what life is truly like in places that war-ridden. Israel, for example, faces these kinds of atrocities on a weekly, if not daily, basis.

Honestly, though, I would rather be ignorant of war and what it does. I would rather my child & future children be ignorant of it, too. I don't WANT to know that human beings are capable of sawing another another human being's head. I don't WANT to know that human beings are capable of walking on to a bus with several bombs strapped to their chests, watching innocent children running around, and then pulling the trigger so that those innocent children will never have even the chance to make this world of ours a better place.

I don't WANT to know the realities of war. Do you, truly, want to know what violence human beings are capable of?

Faced with that, yes, we are, everyday, becoming more and more aware of these things that we did not want to know. It is sad that a child ANYwhere on this world should have to have even the SLIGHTEST inkling of what war is. Every human being on this planet should hang his/her head in shame for that.

No, I'm not for the war. No, I'm not for American soldiers torturing helpless human beings. No, I'm not for Iraqis sawing the heads off helpless human beings. And it shames me to know that my own species can do this.

~~Dusty Windom
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lilroach56 May 13, 2004 06:57 PM

there isn't any DU in bullets. If there was the cost of a war would go up by about 100%. Putting even a small amount of DU in bullets would cost $2-5 per bullet, that is around $100 per M-16 magazine. Also dont say crap about American DU and malformed children because it does not pollute the air or the crops it screws them up when they play with the shells. Also what is sad is that Americans speak out against "atrocities" commited by americans but when Saddam put someone in the acid room, no one cares. The only reason these "atrocities" are getting so much publicity is that it is an election year and dems can say "Bush new this was happening" just like they said the war was for oil. Democrats like to flip-flop their opinion on everything, from the Electorial college (yes...the DEMOCRATS did invent that because they didnt think the public was smart enought to choose their president) to how this war was for oil.

here is a good quote from a famous democrat
"Any president who lies to the American Public should resign"
i wonder who said that???[cough]clinton[cough]
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sobek May 13, 2004 07:19 PM

>>>Democrats like to flip-flop their opinion

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA thats so funny, its not funny..lol

Ok big shot, WHY DID we go to war with Iraq?

let the flip flopping begin.........

Here is a RIGHT WING quote for you: When all else fails... Bring up Clinton.

Clinton threw small pox blankets on the Indian reservations..

Clinton started the Vietnam war....

Clinton scraped my knee mommy!!!

GROW UP!! ~SoBeK~

lilroach56 May 13, 2004 07:23 PM

clinton killed 500,000 Iraqi CHILDREN when he imposed sanctions on iraq.
Clinton stopped $8 billion from going to educate cause he wanted a balanced budget, $8billion!
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sobek May 13, 2004 07:32 PM

Lets not get into money spending. Bush trumps all!

And who was president Before Clinton?

Who left the Iraqi people to DIE after desert storm?

Who promised the people of Iraq support if they rise up against Saddam, only to BAIL OUT ON THEM once Kuwaits oil was secure?

here is a clue smarty pants.. It was not Clinton...

Here is a link your you: www.costofwar.com
and bush is now asking for another 50$ Billion thats Billion with a B

Fred Albury May 14, 2004 01:08 PM

Sorry guys but THIS is very true. Not only did Clinton commit these horrible sanctions against the IRAQ people, but he also lobbed missle at IRAQ right when he was knee deep in Miss Lewinskis ual favors. To divert attention. Away from his genitalia.

But his record Pales in comparison to bushs world teing agenda.

Lets faces it, they are BOTH politicians. I would have voted for Kucinich. At least he had something intelligent to say.

*Cheers*

Fred Albury

Fred Albury May 14, 2004 01:15 PM

D.U. is aerosolized upon impact. It spreads UPWARDS and is carried byt he wind. And has one hell of along shelf life. Did I mention that it causes DEFORMITIES in children? Yup. And...as an added bonus, D.U. has caused the SAME malformations in AMERICAN soldiers children that were sired after the guys got back from the war. So...both Iraq children and American children are born deformed because of the use of D.U. It spreads in the water supply, on the food, and is inhaled. Check your information.

As far as the diffrent parties, I would have to agree with you somewhat. Dems look a lotlike Republicans, and Republicans look a lot like Dems...its all partof thye say anything do anything mentality of politicans to pander to whoever can get them the vote.But....getting Bush out would be a good thing. Even Kerry cant be as big of an as Bush.

Cheers

Fred Albury

rodmalm May 14, 2004 09:58 PM

Like the fact that it has been used in airplanes for years.

Yes, it is used as ballast to balance planes! Why is it used in planes you ask? Because it is very dense, and safe. Two things that are very important considerations for planes, a good amount of weight to balance the plane, with minimal volume having to be wasted. (planes have a shortage of volume, you know.)

Or that it is EXTREMELY safe!

After all, Uranium ore is very safe by itself, then, once depleted the VERY SMALL amount of radiation it has is even less than this very safe amount. You get more radiation from the sun than you could ever get from living in a house made out of the stuff. In fact, a comparison has been made that you would get far more radiation from the radioactive potassium within your body, or your spouse's body than you would get from carrying around non-depleted Uranium much less depleted uranium.


Uranium occurs naturally in the environment and therefore also in the human body. In the Netherlands, the concentration of uranium in the soil varies between 0.4 and 8 milligrams per kg of dry earth. Intake of uranium by humans principally occurs via the diet.

Yep, you eat some everyday! And a much larger amount than you would be exposed to by DU shells in a war zone!

www.web-light.nl/VISIE/gezondheidsraad-du-1.html Notice the title, DU is exposed as a scientific fraud!

Depleted Uranium is used because it is so dense. Would you rather get shot by a feather, a piece of wood, a piece of lead, or a very heavy piece of DU?---a feather wouldn't even make it to you, the wood would hurt, the lead and DU would do major damage. Why? Denseness! The more dense something is, the more penetrating ability it has. People are very soft, but some other things are not!

Now, if you were in a tank (something hard), which is the only one you wouldn't want to be shot by?--Yep, the dense one (no, not you silly ), the DU!

DU is used because its denseness allows for penetration of hard objects! This is the only reason it is used, (and armor since it is much harder to penetrate DU armor than steel) because it is much better for shooting at armored objects than less dense materials. It is basically just an armored bullet.---as for the dust, the dust coming up from the ground on impact of any ballistic weapon is far more dangerous than any dust from DU is. Due to it's denseness and hardness, DU wouldn't turn to dust nearly as readily as softer, less dense materials, and with the radioactive part removed, there is no reason for it to dangerous.

Is it totally safe? No, but then what is? In amounts that are too high, water is toxic, oxygen it toxic, all heavy metals are toxic, and DU is toxic, but no more toxic than having too much iron in your blood! It's toxicity is because it is a heavy metal, not because it is radioactive!

Uranium, radiation, nuclear are simply words that alarmist like to use to scare the public, because the general public has been taught to fear them.

Another interesting fact.--If you live at sea level and then move to Denver, you will receive more radiation than you would if you were inside three mile island during it's "meltdown"! How can this be? Denver has less atmosphere to protect it from cosmic radiation. Do you want to move to Death Valley now, since they are lower in elevation, so there is less radiation?

There have been some pretty ridiculous claims about DU. Due to the average person's fear and misunderstanding of anything "nucler", "Uranium", etc., a lot of people buy into this fraud, but when you look into it, DU is very safe--unless someone shoots you with it, and then it is no worse than a regular bullet!

Rodney

christopher_o May 14, 2004 02:47 AM

Which ever side of this war you fall on, I think every American should take a long look at what each side has to bear. We need to see the pain on the faces of the people being affected to judge.

just mt opinion, chris
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