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What specific kind of Corn is this? Is it a Kisatchie Corn Snake or a Black Albino?

TIA

yep............

not a corn.........
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"I still hate snakes"
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I suspect it may be a grey rather than a black. The colour between the blotches is rather silvery. Baby black rats usually have a more sandy shade of background colour. It will become easier to identify for sure as it ages. Also 50/50 black/grey crosses exhibit the more silvery background, so it could be an intergrade.

tricia

>>yep............
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>>not a corn.........
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>>"I still hate snakes"
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tricia

I've caught black rats in six states of their range and I've seen them all over the place in the color department. If the person with the snake would reveal the geographic origin of the snake, it might clear everything up.

If the person with the snake would reveal the geographic origin of the snake, it might clear everything up.

Near the northern Alabama/Georgia line. Here's another pic.

not a cross or a grey....trust me....I bred yellow blacks,everglades yellows,black to albino whites,black to albino salmons,greenish,greenish to black......

anyways.........

silvery in between saddles?.......

I've seen Pa blacks that were that pretty or better as adults....and Pa has some ugly blacks at times.......

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anyways......blackrat....$10 where legal........LOL

.....not in Pa.........

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"I still hate snakes"
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Maybe an intergrade, but it is too dark to be a grey rat. At least the grey rats in mississippi are much lighter than that.b
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roomates:
1.0.0 anery corn
1.0.0 normal corn
1.1.0 rough greens
0.0.2 dekay's
0.0.1 red milk
2.0.0 false map turtles
0.0.2 common musk turtles

I agree that he looks alot like a baby black rat, but he has stripes on the underside of his tail behind the vent, isn't this indicative of a corn? Also I believe that black rats dont have the black bar extending from behind the eye to the rear of the mouth. Am I wrong in this information? because a lot of websites give these two things as ways to tell the difference between a corn and a rat.

Thanks

>>I live at the border of Tennessee and Georgia and that is a juvenile black rat.
And yes, they can also have the stripes you mentioned. Another thing to help in the identification is the basically solid head.
In the picture you posted the top of the head is solid where as corns will have some form of pattern on their head. (most of the time). There are exceptions to every rule, of course.
Anyway, from my experience with black rats and corns in this area I would say with about 99% certainty that it is indeed a black rat.
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Jimmy (draybar)

Ok thanks for the info. The reason I was questioning it is that this site mentions these things as indicators of corn snakes. I guess I mistook the stripe on his head for the spear mentioned.

"The belly is checkered with large glossy white and black markings. The head has a spear - shaped blotch pointing towards the nose. Black stripes run down either side of the bottom of the tail."

'The Corn Snake can be distinguished from other Rat Snakes and from Kingsnakes by the stripe extending from the back of its eye past the corner of its jaw, plus the large, bold black and white checkerboard pattern on its belly."

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>>'The Corn Snake can be distinguished from other Rat Snakes and from Kingsnakes by the stripe extending from the back of its eye past the corner of its jaw, plus the large, bold black and white checkerboard pattern on its belly."

If you look at your snake and then look at a some pictures of corn snakes you will notice that the "V" on corn snakes connects between the eyes and runs behind the eyes.
On your snake (black rat) you will notice the "V" is broken by the eyes. Also, like I mentioned earlier, on corn snakes you have your "V" or arrowhead running from behind the eyes to the neck but also a pattern on the back of the head.
Your snake has the broken "V" or arrowhead and no additional pattern on the back of the head.
Don't be discouraged, though. They make excellent pets also. A little more flighty, maybe, but with time and regular handling they tame quite well.
Jimmy

Oh I'm not discouragd at all, he's a beautiful snake either way (I just wish he would keep his color). I was hoping it was a corn because I already have a 4 1/2' Black rat. that's fine though, my GF wants him, thanks again

The head shape is definitely "rat." LOL!! When I first looked at it, I thought the head looked odd but dismissed it because the snake is very young looking.

Well, if it were a corn, it would be an anery! LMAO!

Joyhe's right. That's not a corn. Looks black rat to me also, but some of the other obsoleta ssp are similar.

Don
www.cornsnake.NET
South Mountain Reptiles

I have an 8 month old that looks exactly like this one & was told it was aneury - assuming for the moment that it is in reality a black rat, are they more aggressive than corn snakes? That would explain A LOT! I thought I had some kind of psycho corn! LOL