It's a shame,when you surf the blood classifieds you can find wild caught adult bloods for sooo cheap.Around 100.00 bucks now.I'm tempted to pick some up cause they're already red.You don't have to gamble on a orange,yellow baby that might turn red.The only problem is I don't want to support the exportation of wild animals.I feel sorry for these animals.One day your getti'n some sun and lay'in in the mudd in sumatra,next day your in some 12 yr olds bedroom.I'm not preaching,what I'm really trying to say is.I'm just sad that bloods are soo cheap.I think that they are worth soo much more.Anyway I would rather pay more money for captive bred and risk to see if the animals turn red.That's half the fun.Just like my male blood,he's still orange but the red flush keeps creeping in with every shed.Just holding my breath.
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IT'S A SHAME! ! ! ! !
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first off.....damn beautiful animal you have there 
I've seen the other pictures, but that really is a gorgeous blood.
Hmm, imports....I think i pretty much agree with you. I don't have a problem with breeders getting imports, since they know what they're doing and they need the new bloodlines. It's the thought of someone getting a wild-caught with absolutely no idea of what they're getting into that bothers me. The situation usually ends up bad on both ends. I admit that i too have been guilty of eyeballing those beautiful, cheap imports. Luckily common sense kicks in after a little bit 
Lol, i think i remember Kara describing the attitude of wild-caught bloods as similar to a wild caught Sulawesi Retic with a burr up its ass.
My first blood was actually an import. I didn't understand what Captive Hatched really meant when i got her. And i tell ya what, you can tell! I'm definitly sold on captive-bred!
take care,
Carole
LOL!!! Well, the "Sulawesi" analogy was specifically regarding my WC Bangkas, which are the most uppity bloods I've messed with, hands-down. Many of my WC Sumatrans are actually reasonable to work with...not out to kill, but also very adept at letting you know when enough is enough.
I have to agree with you, Carole, that many folks who purchase WC bloods - even though they have no experience with acclimating a WC anything - can be in for a rocky road. Straight-out-of-the-bush, untreated snakes can be a real booger to acclimate, and we really have no idea exactly what these animals have been through prior to hitting the States. It's a shame to see them occasionally treated as "trash snakes" - purchased on a whim & then dumped when the animal proves to be something other than was expected.
Hopefully we'll see some of this change as the "standard" for quality, selectively-bred blood pythons is further defined...and refined. There are certainly some exciting times ahead!
Just my $.02
K
>>first off.....damn beautiful animal you have there I've seen the other pictures, but that really is a gorgeous blood.
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>>Hmm, imports....I think i pretty much agree with you. I don't have a problem with breeders getting imports, since they know what they're doing and they need the new bloodlines. It's the thought of someone getting a wild-caught with absolutely no idea of what they're getting into that bothers me. The situation usually ends up bad on both ends. I admit that i too have been guilty of eyeballing those beautiful, cheap imports. Luckily common sense kicks in after a little bit Lol, i think i remember Kara describing the attitude of wild-caught bloods as similar to a wild caught Sulawesi Retic with a burr up its ass.
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>>My first blood was actually an import. I didn't understand what Captive Hatched really meant when i got her. And i tell ya what, you can tell! I'm definitly sold on captive-bred!
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>>take care,
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>>Carole
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"Remember the days of the old schoolyard?" - Cat Stevens
Where did all captive reptiles come from? Wild caught stock. If reptiles had a choice they wonldn't be in the hands of breeders. Not even captives enjoy their small room! What gets me is in the wild reptiles have TONS of room! In captivity people seem to put things in their minimum requirements. For examples ball colubrids and balls in racks. They can't even streach out! Then they say these animals won't eat in large enclosures. I'm so sick of hearing your enclosure may be to large. I've never had a problem feeding anything in a large enclosure! Think about it everything adds up. People want whats best for them the animals are second. Sure the animals in captivity benefit alot from being here but do they truly want to be here? Go outside put your reptile on the floor and see if he/she goes away or stays. LOL very simple they aren't comming back. That's what's so funny about people claiming their reptiles love to be held. If they were to do that their snake or lizard that loves them doesn't love them anymore because it would be gone in a heart beat. Anyways sorry for rambling,
John
Bleeding heart in herper's clothing, maybe? LOL. Interesting perspectives...just trying to figure out how this ties into the merits of CB over WC stock.
K
>>Where did all captive reptiles come from? Wild caught stock. If reptiles had a choice they wonldn't be in the hands of breeders. Not even captives enjoy their small room! What gets me is in the wild reptiles have TONS of room! In captivity people seem to put things in their minimum requirements. For examples ball colubrids and balls in racks. They can't even streach out! Then they say these animals won't eat in large enclosures. I'm so sick of hearing your enclosure may be to large. I've never had a problem feeding anything in a large enclosure! Think about it everything adds up. People want whats best for them the animals are second. Sure the animals in captivity benefit alot from being here but do they truly want to be here? Go outside put your reptile on the floor and see if he/she goes away or stays. LOL very simple they aren't comming back. That's what's so funny about people claiming their reptiles love to be held. If they were to do that their snake or lizard that loves them doesn't love them anymore because it would be gone in a heart beat. Anyways sorry for rambling,
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>>John
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"Remember the days of the old schoolyard?" - Cat Stevens
Since we are talking about the animals feelings and happiness (anthropomorphic words that seem to be rarely used in herping...)
Maybe another advantage of CB animals over wild caught is that the CB animals don't know what they're missing in terms of freedom. They've never been outside of their little rubbermaid boxes, or BIG rubbermaid boxes, as they grow, and so won't have the same feeling of ennui as WC adults who have known the taste of the wild.
Do blood pythons feel ennui? (I like that word.)
...But seriously, I will now pose that as a question: having never owned a wild caught animal myself, well, except for toads I caught as a little kid , do WC animals seem more desparate to escape than CB animals? Poking at the edges of their enclosure and whatnot?
...Or is all this too much anthropomorphizing?
...I type too much.
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A. Fox
YES! W.C. Animals just want to be left alone (for the most part). There are some that are just as calm as c.b.b. animals who don't seem to mind it. But it's not like we can tell what they are thinking so really we will never know. Sure they don't know what it's like to be in the wild but I mean I think it's sad that an animal is stuck in a small enclosure for it's life. It's another reason zoo's don't like the public to have reps. Snakes given the room no matter what kind will explore the given space. Maybe not all the time but they will use it. Then again if c.b.b. is going to be available to the public they will have to be kept like this because such space I'm talking about cost big money! Personally I think the breeders should be the one keeping them in the smaller enclosures because they have a reason for doing so. If it's a pet or you only have a few why not give them some extra room? Just some thoughts.
John
speaking of space, I see people posting of how large of an enclosure a blood python needs 6' or more but when it comes down to posting pictures, they are sitting in a little rubbermaid tub.I think thats just plain wrong if they can't even stretch out 1/2 their body length.Being bloods pythons aren't so active, I do wonder how much crawl space should be required for these guys, but all in doubt I think you should give them all the space you can give them.
Aren't most WC bloods entering the country animals that were originally collected for the skin trade? If so, being in a cage seems better than being a boot...
That's a matter of opinion actually. Don't know about you buy I may want to be put out of my misery instead of living a life being freaked out by everything. Depends on where they are comming from I think most aren't comming from the skinners as they would make much more money skinning them I believe.
John
