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A new CNN/Time poll shows Bush's ratings are down in every catagory - even the economy and terrorism. Because, in part, Bush has done so much to damage our environment, I'm very happy to see him sink in the polls.

Although the economy is improving there are a number of important things going against Bush. The new information out this weekend fingers Rumsfeld as responsible for the prisoner abuse directly. And the abuse scandal has spread into Afgahnistan. The pictures we haven't seen will shock the country again soon.

Gas prices are now over $41.00 a barrell! And it looks like it'll get worse. In fact, another more effective attack on Saudi oil could rock world prices.

The war is going poorly, and FINALLY, people are beginning to understand there never was a link between Iraq and terrorism - and they are FINALLY beginning to understand that our war is creating terrorists faster then we're killing them. The administration has asked for another $25 Billion for the war and will have to request maybe $40-$60 billion more this fall or sooner.

So in public opinion Bush is loosing in the only areas he was strong in. He still has his "guns, gods and gays" campaign - essentially the culture wars, which he and Rove will try to whip into a fury for the fall. But will it be enough to win? I doubt it.

That would suck if bush lost. i can't stand them taxachusetts presidents. Also, dont mention the economy when you are speaking about Bush, it is the AMERICAN PUBLIC'S fault that the economy sucks. 9/11 happened then people stopped spending, when people stopped spending companies layed off. Also people are spending LESS because the economy is bad, you should spend MORE when the economy is bad.
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9/11 was a result of our foriegn policy and intelligance failures under the Bush Administration.

and retail sales are down because a barrel of oil is overpriced by $18 a barrel...that cuts out of what people are willing to spend...

chris
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your saying that in the 9 months Bush was in office before 9/11 he somehow caused Bin Laden and Al Qaeda to decide to attack the US? i dont think so, it took more than 9 months of planning for the 9/11 attacks. so it had to be partly clintons fault (if it wasn't all his fault), seeing as how he was president before Bush and it took more than 9 months for the 9/11 planning.
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Actually, it's been proven that the roots of terrorism go a LONG way back - yeah - so far back it's before W. Bush. People who study this stuff for a living have shown & proven that many of the faults lay with the Clinton administration and his policies (or lack thereof) concerning dealing with these people.

Remember, the World Trade Centers have been bombed before - 1995, if I remember correctly. Clinton was president then. What did he do to fix the problem? How about with the OK City Bombings? All I remember from either (and, I'll admit, I was still a teen then, but the following is what rubbed off on me, which means, if I, a self-centered teen, took note of it, then it must have been pretty prominent) - All I remember being done was a bunch of whining and complaining.

Bush was in office 9 months when the World Trade Centers were obliterated - HARDLY long enough to make enough of an impact to make someone just suddenly, out of the blue, want to attack us. What did Bush do to fix the problem? At least he DID something. He targeted whom his sources led him to believe was the source of the problem, and he went out to whoop butt. He tried to do what he believed was best for the country he's in charge of.

No one president has ever done more than do what they believed was best. Perhaps Bush's ends did not justify the means. Perhaps his sources were wrong. But, given the information he had at that time, he did what he thought best.

Guys and Gals, if you've a younger sister, and she comes home from a date with her boyfriend, crying and with a black eye, but she won't say what happened, what are you, in general, probably think happened? Most people would conclude that her date hit her. Some protective older siblings might go out the next day, or right then even, and go kick the guy's butt cuz he hurt their sister, according to their information.
Then, later, the sister finally tells you that actually she got a black eye because she's a klutz and opened the car door in her face (yeah, it's completely possible - the only reason I didn't get a black eye was because I had glasses protecting me). And she was crying because her ooyfriend had just proposed to her. OOPS to you. Now, her boyfriend/fiancee is black and blue because your information led you to the wrong conclusion. You have to pay the consequences, but no one can say that you weren't acting on what you thought were your best intentions.

~~Dusty Windom
---And, Yeah, I'm a Klutz LoL
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"our" foreign policy doesn't refer to the Bush administration, it just means "our " foriegn policy which, under several administrations has been intrusive and arrogant...but the intelligance failures I refer to DID occur in the months before 9/11.

and 9/11 didn't occur during antyone elses administration, and that was what was being discussed...not generalized terrorism.

it is clear that more could have been done by the Clinton admin., but the "serious threat" road signs were there 60 days before 9/11...and what was done?

and actually, after the first tade center bombing, we did go after Usama, we just didn't get the job done.
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I read it again, and I read it the same way. I know that "our" means simply "our." I was referring to the accusation against the Bush administration.

>9/11 was a result of our foriegn policy and intelligance
>failures under the Bush Administration.

Trust me, I can read.

>You know why its so hard to get the 12:00 to stop blinking on
>the VCR? .... Its a conspiracy Clinton cooked up....

I'm going to have to remember that one!

~~Dusty Windom
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>>Actually, it's been proven that the roots of terrorism go a LONG way back - yeah - so far back it's before W. Bush. People who study this stuff for a living have shown & proven that many of the faults lay with the Clinton administration and his policies (or lack thereof) concerning dealing with these people.

Well let me take you even further back since your looking for the "Roots of Terrorism".

It has been "Shown & Proven" That We trained many of these terrorist, long before Clinton took oath. Look into the carter/reagan/bush era. Osama IS A PRODUCT of U.S. training. We supported his Religious Fanaticism when it suited our own Agenda. "Afghan/Russian war"

Let me ask you a ?. If A parent gives a 5yr old a load Gun, and the child kills someone, who is responsible?

We the U.S. are that parent...

Osama was that child...

~SoBeK~

P.s. You know why its so hard to get the 12:00 to stop blinking on the VCR? .... Its a conspiracy Clinton cooked up....

Osama the child? Looks like it's a little late just to send him to his room!

Let's go back to the real start of the problem.

OG (the first techno caveman) make big rock pointy. UG used rawhide to make rock stay on stick(an axe)...(thus began the arms race). Og like tasty bugs in Ugs swamp and so decided to take UG's bugs. Ug throw axe at Og. Og complain to other's that he recieved an unprovoked attack. They decide "Bad Tempered" Ug cannot safely manage his swamp, so they take it over for his "own good" (which is how imperialism began) the rest is history.....

Our toys are much more sophisticated now, but we still think like Og and Ug.

I keep hearing the blame game....How about some answers instead of fossil hunting? (lol)

Frank
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>>Og like tasty bugs in Ugs swamp and so decided to take UG's bugs.

lololol So its them damn Bugs fault?

Og&Ug.. thats rich Good post...

np
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Its hard to spend more when your unemployed!

because when they were employed they stopped spending, so that slowed the economy. Then after all the companies started losing money they had to lay off people. If you are unemployed and before 9/11 you had a job and you didn't spend as much after 9/11 it is partly your fault you are unemployed. You can't blame bush for the american peoples faults.
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That really depend on what part of the country you are refering too. My state suffered first when 911 killed tourism here. That killed income so businesses layed off or shut down. Then we had less money to spend.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

p.
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That would suck if bush lost. i can't stand them taxachusetts presidents.

I'm curious, who are you referring to as "taxachusetts'? And why? Do you think the taxes in MA are higher than, lets say, Georgia? ( A "red" state?)

Do you know that nationally, its the "red" states that suck more from the national tax role, and pay less? Funny, isn't it?

So why is it "taxachusetts" for you?

by taxachusetts i meant that, people who will raise taxes more. my history teacher earns like $47,000 a year before taxes, after taxes he is like right at $35,000 a year. He also lives in a county where the only house you will find under $300,000 is to small for a family to live in. What will happen if Kerry is elected and raises taxes more? They can barely live off of $35,000 a year.
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We have a thing called a deficit. And its not gonna pay for its self. And with the trillions now owed thanks to dubyas reckless spending, you'll be paying for that long after Kerry...... Enjoy!

np
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show me the #'s before Bush Jr, and after... Then its clear..

i know Bush Jr has added to the deficit. i was just pointing out that what you said sounded like these are the first years we've had multitrillion deficitis.
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Edited for TOS violation

Edited on May 19, 2004 at 00:14:30 by PHGinger.

I'd still like the #'s from clinton to bush, if ya dont mind...

Trade deficit (billions) (estimated from graph):
95-150
96-170
97-160
98-230
99-340
00-475
01-425
02-500
03(graph was estimated)-600

National debt(trillions):
98-5.4
99-5.5
00-(a little under 01) 5.6
01-5.6
02-5.75
03-6.1-6.2
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Edited for TOS violation

Edited on May 19, 2004 at 00:26:19 by PHGinger.