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Just checked out your morph descriptions and punnet square thingy. Both were very helpful, but I have one question. I have a girl with no spots on her torso, but some on the top of her head, and some on the tail (plus some carrot that just keeps going!) Anyway, is she a true paternless? Also, is there more on recognizing traits in babies?
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1.0 Leopard gecko from JL
0.4 Normal/Hi-Yellow Leopard gecko (Beatrice, Goldie, Freckles, Pepper)
0.1 Nearly Paternless Leopard Gecko (Brite)
0.1 TBD Leopard Gecko (Rainbow)
0.0.1 Tang Nearly Paternless (Peaches)
0.0.2 Corn Snakes (One snow, One red albino)

As far as recognizing traits in hatchlings...some of the traits are very easy to recognize...albinos, patternless, blizzard, jungle, and abberant for example. Albinos are born white and pink (or with brown sometimes), patternless are born with a random light colored pattern and look NOTHING like normals, blizzards are born solid white (occasionally grey), jungles and abberants are born with black bands in irregular patterns. The other traits can be harder to recognize in hatchlings...hypos and super hypos are usually born with less black on the tail and lighter bands than normals, but it can be very hard to tell how they will actually turn out. Tangerines and high yellows can also be difficult to determine from hatchling color. Finally carrottail is a tough one to predict as well, some carrottail leos are born with absolutely no orange in thier tails...the orange shows up gradually as they grow up. Hope that helps, and If you have any more questions I'll try to help you out!
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

I read somewhere that it's a high yellow if the femurs have no spots. Is that true for the hatchlings? The last time I had a hatchling in my collection was a few years ago, but I don't remember whether the legs were yellow or what? That will change this summer, as I have eggs cooking! Yeah! Wish me luck.
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1.0 Leopard gecko from JL
0.4 Normal/Hi-Yellow Leopard gecko (Beatrice, Goldie, Freckles, Pepper)
0.1 Nearly Paternless Leopard Gecko (Brite)
0.1 TBD Leopard Gecko (Rainbow)
0.0.1 Tang Nearly Paternless (Peaches)
0.0.2 Corn Snakes (One snow, One red albino)

As far as high yellows....I'd never heard of the back leg thing until a week or two ago.....it seems as though the spotting on the back legs thing is a matter of opinion...in my personal opinion...I would consider a leo high yellow if it was more yellow than normal as an adult...as far as in hatchlings...hatchlings I don't believe they are born with any spots...just bands...and then they gain their spots as they grow. So I don't think any hatchling would have spots on thier femurs.
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

and i mean no disrespect however, how can you give out info on baby hatchling morphs, or for that matter on hatchling care?
i mean no to be nastey butyou havent bred a leo ever? correct? and have only had leos for a year or less? and this makes you "an expert" or at least thats how others see it and you do not dispute it.....
you need to sit back and listen and let the people with experience... EXPERIENCE answer the questions... because i have looked over your site and while put together well,,, it has some seriously incorrect or partially correct info... even some of your morph descriptions.... for real sit back listen and do some more research with experienced herpers whom not only keep but breed and have done so for SEVERAL years......... i have been keeping reptiles now for shoot i guess almost 7 years and been keeping and breeding leos for almost three and i do not consider myself an expert nor do i claim to be one...... i am far from one...the only people around here i would consider an expert and im talking in terms of years is. kelli hammack (h.i.s.s), dan(the fire man),marcia (golden gate geckos),jodi (ground
gecko freak),chris (NM, newsome),terry (snakebyte)and bill (aztec lizard)......... these are some of the "old" farts of leos and have been doing this for some times and have paid their dues and learned the hard way and thats how they gained their experience,

i see so many people whom have had a gecko for a month,6,months maybe even a year and are now all high and mighty all knowing............ dont copy and paste what you read or what you have heard... EXPERIENCE it for yourself. do the research yourself and get it from RELIABLE, EXPERIENCED sources...

thats all i got to say
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-robin struck
R2 Reptiles

I do NOT know everything and have been corrected about things... Also, essentially all of the info I give or have on my site is things I have learned from those much more experienced than I....experience is NOT everything... It's possible to learn from others' experiences. There's nothing wrong with learning from others...would you like I start experimenting with drugs and such for the experience??....I'd rather not...I know from other's experiences that they can screw you up or kill you...so why should I try to learn through my own experiences?... Also, I never said I was an expert...and I don't ever see any of the experts or much more experienced people on here very often giving advice...and why shouldn't I be able to give advice?... I've done my research, and I try very hard not to give faulty info...if I'm not sure if I'm right I try to say so.....if I have something wrong anywhere, please let me know so I can correct it. Also, I'm not giving advice about hatchlings...all I did was try to explain what hatchlings with different traits look like...I've seen pictures...how is that bad?...if I'm wrong...like I said...please correct me! I've never told anyone that I am more experienced than I am...and I've never told anyone that I'm an expert...if anyone asks me how experienced I am i tell them that I've had leos since late December...and I believe I also said that in the one post I mentioned previously. I've done nothing to mislead anyone about my experience in any way...
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

I've been corrected about things numerous times, and I've only been keeping leos since the end of December!! I have done my research though, and try very hard not to pass on faulty info. But like I said...I'm not perfect and I don't know everything...so just because I say something don't take it for granted that I'm right!....I'd hate to be responsible for any illness or death of anyone's leos because I gave bad advice!!!!
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

"I do NOT know everything and have been corrected about things... Also, essentially all of the info I give or have on my site is things I have learned from those much more experienced than I....experience is NOT everything... It's possible to learn from others' experiences. There's nothing wrong with learning from others...would you like I start experimenting with drugs and such for the experience??....I'd rather not...I know from other's experiences that they can screw you up or kill you...so why should I try to learn through my own experiences?"

yes but you most liekly have whitnessed what drugs do and or have done and with all the scientific info out there on them it back up why to not do them. howewver with reptiles there is so LITTEL known about them so just by going from what someonme more experienced than you says doesnt mean squat.... things that work for one do not necessarily work for another.

"... Also, I never said I was an expert"

never said ya wernt either

"...and I don't ever see any of the experts or much more experienced people on here very often giving advice"

people like you. the "know it alls" argue and fight and bicker over the info given, insult them, so they no longer post here because of tha... do you see them post? no? wonder why... ask an open ended question to the more experienced keepers and breeders why they dont post.... i think you will be suprised

"t...and why shouldn't I be able to give advice?... I've done my research, and I try very hard not to give faulty info"

give into you have experience with... and dont TRY not to give reliable info DONT... if you dont know dont try to know or pretnd you do know.

...if I'm not sure if I'm right I try to say so.....if I have something wrong anywhere, please let me know so I can correct it. Also, I'm not giving advice about hatchlings...all I did was try to explain what hatchlings with different traits look like...I've seen pictures...how is that bad?

unless you yourself have hatched outbabies you do not know any of this for facr..... i hatched out a solid black and white baby a while back its bright orange with very minimal black....
i have hatched out black and light yellow hatchlings that end up being pastel... yet i can hatch out a leoe looking the same as the one just mentioned and it can turn out high yellow or even tangerine or hypo tanerine... i have hatched out hypos so light they almost look albino..... but they KEY here is not someone elses pictures its EXPERIENCE

...if I'm wrong...like I said...please correct me! I've never told anyone that I am more experienced than I am...and I've never told anyone that I'm an expert...if anyone asks me how experienced I am i tell them that I've had leos since late December...and I believe I also said that in the one post I mentioned previously. I've done nothing to mislead anyone about my experience in any way...

i would suggest you just sit back and chill.... listen ,read and comtact reliable long term leo keepers
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-robin struck
R2 Reptiles

Isn't saying that I don't know everything, how long I've been in the hobby, and saying not to take my word for fact essentially saying that I'm not an expert?....Very often I do just sit back and read what's going on with all of the very experienced people and the experts...I'm well aware that what works for one doesn't always work for everyone...that's why I try to listen mostly to the experts and more experienced.....I don't know why you are saying that I don't... Seriously....whatever you've noticed wrong on my site or advice I've tried to give, please tell me what I've said wrong... I'm not a know at all...know it alls don't purposely tell people that they're NOT always right... There is NOTHING wrong with using other people's experiences to explain things...just because I don't have the hands on experience doesn't mean I don't know squat...please don't tell me does. Having hands on experience also doesn't mean that a someone does know everything... I've never said I had experience with something when I didn't... and the hatchling thing...what did I say wrong??...honestly?...all I did was try to explain the average appearance of hatchlings with different traits...and I made a point to mention that the final color of a leo is very hard to predict from a hatchling...a point you just verified with your experiences...

Give me a valid reason not to give advice and I'll stop...but right now all you're telling me is that I don't have a right to give advice because I don't have the hands on experience, regardless of how much research I've done and who I've gotten my info from...and I'm sorry but that's just not a reason for me to stop trying to help people when no one else is... Oh...and there's been very little fighting on the forum lately...
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

I just know that they'll screw you up. I was just using that as an example...I can find others if you want... I would never feed my dog raw meat...not because I know from experience that it will do a number on thier teeth, but because I've heard from other's experiences that their teeth will almost definitely get really bad. I'm not going to try it just to see...
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

you have never seen the kid in school whom drank alot of did drugs and because if it.. the kid was a burn out didnt care about school life ect. got in trouble at school and with cops and grades were bad?? if not you sure led a sheltered life.. because i come from a town that our graduating class was 237 and out of those i can personally remember for than a dozen or so people who fit into the above mentioned criteria.

also, the most benificial ciet for dogs and cats is the B.A.R.F diet (stands for bones and raw foods)...... a very good friend of mine is a world class dog breeder/shower she has years of experience and studied the diet as well as used it for the past several years.... she has scientific data to back this up.....
this is an example of giving out info about something you know little or nothing about... getting it from an experienced reliable resource... whom has studied and explained WHY it is benficial blah blah blah not just staing.. well i once read... or i meandered across some web page... or some guy at the pet store told me
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-robin struck
R2 Reptiles

No actually...I never did know anyone who like that...sure I've seen them...but never actually knew anyone well enough to know much of anything about them. I have known people have experimented a tiny bit...but have no effects from it.

There is a big difference between a raw meat diet, and a raw meat and bone diet....and I wouldn't recommend either. The biggest problem with a just raw meat diet is teeth problems...with bones you won't see that problem anywhere near as much. However any time raw meat is fed it is risking parasitic and bacterial/viral infection. The way meat is prepared and packaged tends to be quite unsanitary...that's why we have temperature recommendations when we cook. Also, depending on the bones...bones can be very dangerous...unless prepared properly they can spliter and if the pieces are eaten, they can cause SERIOUS health problems. They can break teeth as well. Also...if the splinterable bones aren't used...then the dog's don't get the full benefit of the bones because they don't have anything going between their teeth...it's basically a lose/lose situation. This info isn't "he says, she says" and there's a difference between that and just stating someone's experiences....I got that info because I'm a prevet student and have learned about it... Raw diets may be a little better nutritionally...but they come with a lot of HIGH risks that just aren't worth the slight nutritional benefit. Oh...and go to just about any vet and ask if you should feed a raw diet....see what they say.
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

np
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-robin struck
R2 Reptiles

n/p
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.