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Whitewater Canyon, CA on Saturday . . .>

terryp May 17, 2004 05:57 PM

I went to the infamous Whitewater Canyon near Palm Springs, CA on Saturday night. I was able to combine going herping with meeting in person a couple friends. I have traded emails with Tony Lanzi and John Michels, but had never met them in person. Finally, Tony and I decided to plan a night out herping in Whitewater Canyon. Tony had been there numerous times so I had the advantage of his experience. We planned the trip for Saturday. I sent John Michels an email congratulating him on obtaining a Brimaris and letting him know who bred them. I mentioned to John in my email that Tony and I were going to the Whitewater Canyon area. John said he was going to the IRBA show in Pomona on Saturday and had planned to herp the same area we would be. I met Tony about 6pm Saturday evening a few miles from Whitewater Canyon and we drove around and took a run up the canyon road. There is a road that runs for about 7 miles through the canyon. Now if you might not happen to know, this is the infamous home of the Whitewater Canyon rosy boa and is the original canyon yielding the albino gene. Tony and I made several runs up and down the canyon road with one run yielding a longnose. It was one of the largest longnoses I have seen. On one of the runs, we met John Michels. I was glad to see John as he told me he was bringing me a California lyre snake that he had collected in the canyon a week earlier. I have wanted to get a pair of California lyre snakes to work with for awhile now. I have one to go now. I haven’t sexed the one I have yet, but will shortly. We met several people making runs up and down the canyon. One group had seen 7 snakes the night before which included rosy boas, shovelnose, longnose, rubber and glossy snakes. My wife, Brenda, who came along spotted a speckled rattlesnake on one run. She was even driving and caught sight of the rattler before I did. There were a couple white/black longnoses that John had. These look so much like a California kingsnake it’s amazing to me. I will post some picks shortly. I was amazed how most everyone who was road hunting were trying to work together to make sure everything went good for the herpers and the reptiles. Everyone except one or two cars would spread out and work the road up and down in a slow pace that gave us a better chance to see something instead of just driving everything off the road. I let someone from another car take the speckled rattler and they started keeping an eye out for a lyre snake for me. If you go to Whitewater, get your California Fishing license. Tony had to show his license when he jumped out to check out a dead gopher snake that was put there by the Fish and Game. We heard from other people in the canyon that the Fish and Game was there and they were putting out a dead gopher snake. Whitewater Canyon is a great place to enjoy and herp. It was great for me to meet Tony and John in addition to seeing some reptiles. Oh, I almost forgot that Tony brought a San Diego Banded gecko that he had collected in Whitewater for my wife Brenda. Brenda has Leopard and Madagascar Geckos and has wanted a pair of Western Banded Geckos to work with and it was great of Tony to bring one of the Western subspecies for her.

Terry Parks

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Terry Parks

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terryp May 17, 2004 10:26 PM

Here's the lyre snake that John gave me Saturday. He collected it the week before in whitewater canyon.

Terry Parks
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Fieldnotes May 17, 2004 11:29 PM

Nice looking Lyre. The Western Banded Geckos at Whitwater are the subspecies Desert Banded gecko.

terryp May 18, 2004 12:15 AM

Thanks for the comments and the subspecies range clarification. I was trying to figure the range around that area. I'll look back through my field guide and look at the bands on the gecko. I'll post a pic shortly for you to see. In any case, my wife and I like him a lot.

Terry Parks

>>Nice looking Lyre. The Western Banded Geckos at Whitwater are the subspecies Desert Banded gecko.

socalherper May 18, 2004 06:20 PM

Hey Fieldnotes,
How ya doing.. The Gecko I brought Terry is an
Coleonyx variegatus abbotti - San Diego Banded Gecko
He is a cool looking lizard. He has no broken bands on him at all.

Talk attcha soon,

Tony (SoCalHerper)

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chris_mcmartin May 18, 2004 07:43 PM

Looking for two to be gifted by someone...
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Chris McMartin
www.mcmartinville.com
I'm Not a Herpetologist, but I Play One on the Internet

socalherper May 19, 2004 12:23 PM

LOL!

That's a good try Chris... I am just kidding my fellow herper.
Shoot me an e-mail next time you are out here and can herp and I will help you look for one.
I only had him, He was looking lonely and Terry had more time and could give him more attention so I did the cool herper thing I guess. I see quite a few a year so let me know when you are around and we can hike in the stickers and rocks in the A.M. - (Hint)

Tony lanzi

terryp May 18, 2004 12:21 AM

I know it's not a good closeup, but wouldn't you think this might be a Cal King? It's a white/black longnose.

Terry Parks
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socalherper May 18, 2004 03:40 PM

Thanks for the kind words Terry,
I had a good time.
I ended up staying until around 1:00 a.m. I did see a few glossy snakes after you left and another Crotalus Ruber.
No problem for the Gecko it's a Coleonyx variegatus abbotti F&G liked it also. I think it will be on the documentary they were shooting. LOL!
Let me know when you make it down this way again and we can herp again.

Tony

skyjack May 19, 2004 12:14 PM

Is he located in Southern California? True brimaris are notoriously hard to get ahold of in the states. I would be interested in purchasing an animal from him. Do you know how I might be able to get in touch with him?

PhilipDeane May 19, 2004 04:07 PM

If they are real baja gophers that would be cool.
Lots of people say they are selling baja gophers but they usually arent true baja ones. The only way to get true ones is to go deep into baja. Have you seen his snakes? Are the true bajas? How much is he asking? Where did he get his breeders?
does he have any for sale now?
I want to meet people breeding true bajas so I can buy some breeders for myself. They are something Ive wanted to breed for a long time. Bajas are the coolest of the gpher snakes for sure.

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