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OK, this might sound like a stupid question, but i have been thinking about it for some time now. So here goes...

Balls come in many morphs, and some morphs have different lines which are of higher quality then others. Like an example, N.E.R.D has a really good quality Orange Ghost( N.E.R.D. line), and then are expected to be some of the best. What happens when they breed their Orange Ghosts and nature gives them a few Orange Ghosts that are not of the quality they set?

Do they still sell it as a N.E.R.D. Line Orange Ghost? I would think not as it would then lower their products quality. Do they sell it through like a sub dealer/breeder and not assign it a line? What happens to that Ball that's not what they demand in that line to have the name "N.E.R.D. Line"?

This question also is for any other line thats out there. StoneWash Pastel(Ruppel), what if it's not that high quality, does it get sold as a Pastel for a lower price without the Ruppel name?

Anyone that can give me their thoughts on this. Breeders with lines that can say what they do? You know, is it like seconds in the clothing industry, gets a generic lable?

Thank you very much... John
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0.1 Albino
1.0 Pastel
1.0 (F1)Banded Ball
1.1 100% Het Piebald
1.1 100% Het Butterscotch Ghost
1.1 100% Het Yellow Ghost
2.18 Normal Balls

Hard to beleive that no one here that read my post has any idea of an answer or guess. Is the question too hard? Do the big breeders not want to tell what they do with their sub-standard(line) Balls?

I would have gotten a better response if i asked how many inches around the moon it is. Even though NASA does not even have a "for sure" answer.

Thanks anyways... John
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0.1 Albino
1.0 Pastel
1.0 (F1)Banded Ball
1.1 100% Het Piebald
1.1 100% Het Butterscotch Ghost
1.1 100% Het Yellow Ghost
2.18 Normal Balls

I think the reason for no responses is that it seams to be directed more to the big breeders. Most people on here are either up and coming breeders or enthusiasts....it also seems like a slightly loaded question for breeders, with no matter how they answer someone can attack them.
as far as the lines I think mostly people only brag about the screamers..however the Line itself is basically just who the blood line came from. Avg. Looking pastels or ghosts may still be from the bloodline but not as bragged about. Now this is only speculation as I do not have my own line and am just starting my collection.
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0.1 Leos
1.1 Corn snakes (1 Lav & 1 Ghost)
0.1 Banan California King
0.0.1 Childrens python
1.1 Brazilian Rainbow boa
1.0 Rat (as pet not food)
1.2 Ball pythons (1pastel 2 normals)
"whats with you and all those dang reptiles?"

OK, i can agree with you to a point. The question would be more for the bigger breeders with lines of their own.

Also, i know that reguardless if its a screamer or not, if the blood line is of a certian oragin, it is reguardless, but i am asking about the ones that are not the screamers, they are still that line, but do the breeders tant there name and reputation on Balls that are not the quality they worked so hard to get and advertise.

Look at something as simple as a T-shirt made my a well known brand name, if the shirt does not pass inspection, is it still made by that company? Of coarse it is, but they rip the tag on the T and sell it and Wholesale stores or Outlet stores for a cheaper price and with the tag ripped, the company does not back the product.

So i am asking does it work that was with breeding Balls. I am not loading a question, i am asking for a straight answer(if i can get one). If the answer is something most people would not want to hear, then maybe they are doing something wrong and should change the way they do it.

Just asking a simple question. Thank you... John
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0.1 Albino
1.0 Pastel
1.0 (F1)Banded Ball
1.1 100% Het Piebald
1.1 100% Het Butterscotch Ghost
1.1 100% Het Yellow Ghost
2.18 Normal Balls

yeah I see what your saying..I know you werent asking a loaded question on purpose..what I meant to say was that it would be looked at maybe as a loaded question..resulting in less responses...I think maybe thats why they have price gradients because there is no outlet malls for snakes..LOL
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0.1 Leos
1.1 Corn snakes (1 Lav & 1 Ghost)
0.1 Banan California King
0.0.1 Childrens python
1.1 Brazilian Rainbow boa
1.0 Rat (as pet not food)
1.2 Ball pythons (1pastel 2 normals)
"whats with you and all those dang reptiles?"

For Ball Pythons, what an idea. Yeah, too bad they don't. Thanks... John
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0.1 Albino
1.0 Pastel
1.0 (F1)Banded Ball
1.1 100% Het Piebald
1.1 100% Het Butterscotch Ghost
1.1 100% Het Yellow Ghost
2.18 Normal Balls

What makes a "screamer"?......If a screamer is justified by ones pattern and the way it coincides with the color.....that can not be predetermined. A bp's pattern is just like human fingerprints.......for example.....I am a Murphy, however, my fingerprints are not the same as my father's, sister's, grandparent's, etc etc......but we're all generational Murphys. Same goes for bps morphs.......just because this Graziani Pastel shouts "Holy Crap!" and another one says "Eh".....it's still a Graziani line. Same goes for other "brand" lines. Plus, take notice.......prices vary. Every breeder sells their "stock" at varying prices.......meaning the morphs are graded individually.

jmo...........

I understand that weather its a great looking Ball or not, that its still part of that line. But my question is, if say Graziani Pastel's are known for being really pretty and have good color that holds up as it get older and then a few here and there (Graziani Pastel's) come out looking average(yes i know its still there line) but do they hold it back and not market it? Do they sell it to another secondary breeder for a lower price and not attach their "Line" name to it, so the general Ball public will not think their pine is going down in quality?

Think about it, if you were a baker with a reputaion as a great cake maker and everyone bought from you to get a Murphy cake and then one day you had a cake come out that was a little over cooked or dry or slanted, you have a few options. OK, i know its still your cake, but do you put out a sub par product that can give you a bad name, do you throw it away? Do you sell it to a smaller bakery for less money and they resell it under their name(where your bad cake is a good cake to them)?

So that is what i am asking, i know a line named snake is that like reguardless, but i am asking what happens to the ones that are less quality then what the public is excpecting from them?

I know i said the same thing 3 times now, i am not asking if its their line, i am asking if they still claim it as their line or sub-market it and save face as a top line in a certian morph...

John
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0.1 Albino
1.0 Pastel
1.0 (F1)Banded Ball
1.1 100% Het Piebald
1.1 100% Het Butterscotch Ghost
1.1 100% Het Yellow Ghost
2.18 Normal Balls