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Rescue attempt update from a few posts down!

CaptainHook2 May 19, 2004 06:55 AM

Looks like alot of drama on the forumn. I'm sorry to say she died hours before any of our conversations hit the net yesterday. My wife was out purchasing better conditions etc. and when she came home, the little girl was dead. My wife got her out of the house so I wouldn't see her.

That said, no hard feeling to anyone. Ray, I know where your heart was coming from, like gomez said, bit of a stressful time. Gomez, same to ya.

I don't yet know all the names but thanx to everyone in my threads that tried to help me out.

In the fall I will be looking to set-up for a panther. From the pics I've seen, those are the ones with alot of color. I will do my homework and have EVERYTHING in order before I make my purchase.

See you all then!

Thanx again for your concern!

DZ

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Raymond Moreno May 19, 2004 08:23 AM

Hmmmmm...

looks like something good did come out of this whole ordeal afterall.

Sorry for your loss...but I rejoice in your future endeavors!

I'll post a picture of my cammy, Shoot, as soon as his colors brighten-up. Since I transferred him to his new enclosure, he is still a little "gloomy," and getting accustomed to his new abode.

I'm sure you'll find those lil PANTHERS a great critter to own and enjoy. (Very colorful as well, I may add).

Keep us posted.
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In Christ: Raymond

CaptainHook2 May 19, 2004 08:44 AM

SO! Let me ask you this.

What do I need to look for as far as trees, cage, light, humidity heat etc. I've read some books but they have differing info. What are some materials ya'll use for these cages. I was thinking of using 2X4's, ripping a groove out of them so they form a full corner, then use about 6 coats of exterior paint on the inside and stain/polyurethane on the outside. I was going to use standard screen or could I use 1/2 inch square chicken wire? What type of UVB should I get and where cheap? Same for everything else. When it comes to cages I try to think of what would I want, short of freedom, if I were what I was caging. Here's a pic of level 1 & 2 of the cage I'm building for my burm. I'll start level 3 after I move in 2 weeks.

I'll purchase a little each month until it's set up. Then I'll hit ya'll up about the animal.

DZ

jovcham May 19, 2004 11:09 AM

I'm sorry to hear about your little girl. You gave it your best efforts.

For your new chameleon do not use chicken wire, that can cut their little feet. If you use screen make sure you have lots of vines and plants in the cage so the panther will not want to climb on the screen. As for plants in the cage I use pothos and cut down real vines with fake walmart vines. I tried ficus trees as well but all the moisture in the cage killed the ficus.
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From Sunny Florida
Jovana's kids listed below
1.0 Veiled
1.1 Ambanja Panther
1.1 Tamatave Panther
0.1 Ambilobe Panther

CaptainHook2 May 19, 2004 02:34 PM

What is the difference in your Panthers? Are these the most colrful. I want a chameleon for the color, I also hear they don't need much hands on attention. What's your opinion?

DZ

Raymond Moreno May 19, 2004 05:44 PM

Hey DZ,
personally ALL cammy's are pretty cool. Some folks swear by the veileds, some swear by the panthers, etc... But from my understanding, both of the latter are the most common, as they are the ones with the easiest life-requirements to meet.

Personally, I like the panthers the most. They tend to be a little smaller than the veileds (especially when they are first growing up), and tend to be a bit more colorful. But the catch is that panthers feel more comfortable in heavier foliage (which means more maintenance of the enclosure), and have higher humidity requirements.

As for their enclosure requirements, just think "H-I-G-H". If at all possible, make his enclosure so that he is looking "down on you" when perching or basking. (Unless you are a 6' foot person who has been doing that to other people himself). Ha ha.

I used 1.5" x 1.5" pieces pine to frame the enclosure, then 3/4" pine boards to cover the frame. (See the thread entitled, "MY NEW CAGE" down below). I like working with my hands, so I made it exactly like I wanted/designed it, as well as trying to meet all of my chameleon, Shoot's, living requirements. Some people don't like pine as it "oozes" oils that can be irritating to the critters- but I checked the pieces for "oil-lessness," and covered the entire interior with three coats of polyurethane. (Just make sure to let it air-out for two or three days to let the fumes dissipate).

May I also ask why you are choosing to "paint" the interior? Are you looking for a certain color or "look"? I guess it would be ok. Just make sure that it water-proofs the wood to protect it from the humidity and moisture of constant misting.

As for the screen material, I guess it depends on a few factor:

1) Are you placing the enclosure outside where more protection/security is needed against natural predators. (Will it need to be dog, cat, or bird-proof).

2) Are color and "looks" important. (Do you want it to match the color or stain of the wood).

3) Are you intending for "feeder insects" to run wild within the enclosure. (Crickets will eat holes in synthetic screen materials).

4) How large do you want the "squares" to be. (Standard screen mesh gives you 1/16" holes; standard wire cloth from Home Depot gives you 1/4" "squares," etc...

And there's are a few more factors that I cannot think about at this time. (Senior moments). Ha ha

As for foliage (interior greens)...well, that's entirely up to your taste. I like to keep things as natural as can be to satisfy my green-thumb. But then again (and more importantly), I think about what my chameleon, Shot, would most prefer - and that was my final decision-maker. I use FICUS TREES (which get's a little more complicated in chosing the right one, so contact me if'n you need a little more information on that), all types of IVY (which really helps to "fill-in" that empty space with the color green), and the common UMBRELLA PLANTS. There are a bunch of other ones that are safe for your critter, but just like your chameleon, figure-out what type of humidity and lighting will be in the enclosure to help choose the plant variety which will thrive in there. (They are living organisms as well).

And lastly...lighting. (I'm trying to answer all your questions, step-by-step). Make sure that you have proper bulbs for a good basking light (to warm them), as well as having a good UVB-producu=ing tube to help them metabolize the calcium they are intaking. (I was using the CHROMALUX from "LLL Reptile," but have since changed to the REPTISUN 5.0. (It rated the highest in pure UVB emmitance than all the rest, CHROMALUX included).

For a GREAT book on raising chameleons, purchase the one called, "CHAMELEONS: THEIR CARE AND BREDING" by Linda Davison. I have many reptile reference and care books on chameleons, but she covers what most of them do, and has the experience to back it up. She and her husband were the originator/owners of "Sticky Tongue Farms" (the largest chameleon breeding farm in the world), as well as being the originators of "MINER-ALL". I guarantee that you will save alot of money by purchasing this book, as it covers topics and information it would take various other books to cover.

Hope this helped, DZ!
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In Christ: Raymond

CaptainHook2 May 20, 2004 01:59 PM

1: why you are choosing to "paint" the interior?
Ans: I paint 3 green colors with a spotted roller. It blends in with the foliage and I use exterior paint for humidity.

2: Are you placing the enclosure outside where more protection/security is needed against natural predators. (Will it need to be dog, cat, or bird-proof).
Ans: Cat proofed for inside only. I build awsome cages though!

3: Are color and "looks" important.
Ans: Yes. Interior camoflauged, exterior stained to look like furniture. All polished brass hardware etc.

4: Are you intending for "feeder insects" to run wild within the enclosure. (Crickets will eat holes in synthetic screen materials).
Ans: No, I'll try to get to the point of putting them in a cup.

5: How large do you want the "squares" to be. (Standard screen mesh gives you 1/16" holes; standard wire cloth from Home Depot gives you 1/4" "squares," etc...
Ans: I was told the wire mesh 1/4 inch was not goog for their feet. Probably a metal screen, not mesh. That's the cool part of asking now. This cage will be perfect for the animal that goes in it before I ever get it.

CaptainHook2 May 20, 2004 02:03 PM

Another thing I forgot to mention is I want to put as much real green stuff as I can so you almost have to search for the cham. I hear they don't need much interaction with their owner and I have so many other hobbies I could be cool with that. I like they way they walk and I love the colors.

DZ

lele May 19, 2004 01:18 PM

DZ - sorry to hear about the little veiled. You did what you could - we need more people like you and less like your "friend."

lele

p.s. we are a bunch of drama queens around here, huh???
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0.1 veiled - Luna
0.2 green anoles Jaida & Jetta
0.1 brown anole - Jamaica the j sisters were sent to freedom last month
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wraithy May 20, 2004 06:33 AM

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