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Ok, has a firm name been established for the Corn snakes to come out from the motley/Striped breedings that are half and half looking. I produce a ton of these partial striped and partial motley looking Corns but have no name other then Partial striped/partial motley corns.
I thought that "Camo Corns" was kinda of catchy, you know like woodland camouflage clothes. Kind of blotchy and random, but I did not want to step on any ones toes if a firm morph name has already been established, So what do you think of the name let me know…..

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Jim Hopkins "Hoppy"
Hopkins Holesale Herps
Hopfam1@aol.com

The generally accepted name for that sort of snake is 'cubed' motley. Atleast that's the only name I've heard for it, and I've heard it consistantly applied to them.

-Kat
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"You keep WHAT in your freezer?"
"Mice. And rats. If that bothers you, I can call them 'cows' instead."

I guess Cubed Corn is not too bad, it is kind of catchy, I did not realize that anyone was calling it that. Two years ago at the Expo I saw them listed as Holloween Corns, Slush Corn and just about anything else you could think of, their patteren just reminded me of the different camo patterns you see in some of the clothes and being a paint ball junkie on top of a snake guy I thought it would be a good name, but if it has already been dubed then so be it
Thanks
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Jim Hopkins "Hoppy"
Hopkins Holesale Herps
Hopfam1@aol.com

Yeah, I've heard them generally referred to as cubed motleys which pretty much in my mind signifies motleys from a motley x striped pairing.
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~~~Hurley

What's wrong with "motley/striped?"

It describes them from a phenotypical and genotypical perspective, and everyone knows exactly what you mean, when you use it. Frankly, it's one of the best names I know, given the requirements for names as I understand them (accuracy of description, acceptability among industry enthusiats, and marketability).

As many already know too well, I am all for changes that need to be made. However, I just don't see a need here. To each his own, though.
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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

Seems like I've seen the term "Cube Corn" refer to this look in corns. I think cornsnakemorphs.com uses it, though I'm not certain.

In the world of Aztec, bubble Gum, creamcicle, blood red, Morphs, Striped/Motley just seems kind of lack luster and boring, functional but boring......
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Jim Hopkins "Hoppy"
Hopkins Holesale Herps
Hopfam1@aol.com

Fine.

But what are you going to call the motley/stripes that do not show the "cubed" effect, but are genetically identical to the cubed corns? See, that's the problem with naming an animal merely based on what it LOOKS like.

You have to have a name that is descriptive of its appearance to a certain degree, is accepted by the general public, AND is broad enough to capture ALL of the specimens that are within the realm of the name being applied.

It's similar to the candy cane, flourescent orange, sunglow, dayglow "morphs" of corns. Genetically, they are ALL simply amels. However, each of through line breeding, has achieved a look that is unique from the others. In fact, from the definitions given for sunglows and candycanes, they are at time antithetical to one another.

Now, I don't have any problem with these "morph" names for these subsets of amel, because they futher distinguish what an animal really is in appearance. Conversely, I have no difficulty with calling animals such as you pictured above, "Cube Corns." However, if someone came along and said, "I think 'amelanism' is boring as a name, and 'flourescant orange' is much more attractive ... let's call all animals lacking melanin by the catchier name," I would have a real problem with that. Why? Because not all amel are flourescent orange in any way! Just as not all motley/stripes are cubed in their appearance.

Some motley/striped animals look nearly completely motley in appearance and others look completely striped, giving many inexperienced people a difficult time in telling them apart, even. Why would we classify an entire gentically independant section of corns by a name that only really applies to a limited number of that subset?

Boring or not, I see no reason to change in this instance. It is accurate, understood, and braod enough to accomplish the goals required of it. Motley/stripe seems fine to me, and the cubed ones are fine, being identified as a subset of that overall genetic grouping.
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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

Well, just playing around here so please don’t take personal offense, you have seemed to put much more thought into my open ended question then ever is needed, but still on point this would then be (based on your name process) a Hypomelanistic/Anerytheristic/Striped/Motley corn snake as opposed to a Striped Ghost?
Or better yet Amelanistic/Anerytheristic/Hypomelanistic/Abeherantly connected saddled corn snake instead of a Zigzag Snow? I can’t even spell half the names then LOL and if I add just a few more of the genetics into the mix it would take a paragraph just to name the animal? And then what the heck do I do with the things that I have no idea what created it, such as this “suspected” Banded Crimson Corn. I say suspected because it is not related to Don’s stock, it just popped out of the babies last year and I really have no idea what genetics played on it, Heck now breeding corns in no fun, too many big words, It is bad enough that the taxonomist keep changing names and refuse to speak English but now I have to use all these dang words, soon I will have a supercalifragilislticexpealidotist corns (not even sure if the was spelled correctly but it is the word from Mary Poppins for those of you who have kids…. Again this is in jest so please don’t get all mad about my joking around
Thanks

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Jim Hopkins "Hoppy"
Hopkins Holesale Herps
Hopfam1@aol.com

Do you have an updated pic?

Awesome snake!

Kerby...

I took that picture less then a month ago to show it to Kathy Love to get her ideas on what it was, so that is pretty much how he still looks (although he just shed yesterday again). That is at about 10 months old now and he just keeps getting richer in color. The red is a deep almost burgandy and the cross bands are a whiteish pink, the orange on the head just started to develop in the last few months.
Thanks
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Jim Hopkins "Hoppy"
Hopkins Holesale Herps
Hopfam1@aol.com

One beautiful corn!!

Keep us updated cause I'm sure it still hasn't reached it's full color potential.

Kerby...

not sure if you had a typo? I like Cameo Corn,

Make that Ruby Cameo Corn