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A major hint that the abuse of POW's is common and ordered by the U.S. military (more...)

H+E Stoeckl May 22, 2004 07:49 AM

Several years ago an international law court was intalled by the United Nations. Its duty is to prosecute abuse und cruelty of soldiers to enemies in a war.

The U.S. firmly refused to submit to the competence of this international law court. The U.S. threatened to retrieve all of its soldiers from peace keeping missions if this law court would also apply to the U.S.

Finally a compromise was found that the subject was pending for another year, and then again for another year.

NOW WE KNOW WHY THE U.S. IS UNWILLING TO JOIN THIS TREATY THAT HAS BEEN SIGNED BY ALMOST ALL DEMOCRATIC NATIONS ALL OVER THE WORLD!

It is clear now that the U.S. leadership knows perfectly well how things are handled in case of a war by the U.S. military.
And if the U.S. would have signed the treaty the international law court would already prosecute the responsible persons of the happenings in the prison in Iraq.

The whole things leaves a bad taste in the mouths of advanced and civilized nations...

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lilroach56 May 22, 2004 07:56 AM

Maybe, we just dont want some foreign nations putting our soldiers under trial. Also what does "several" mean? I am assuming the international law court was first installed in the clinton admin, because if it wasn't you would give the exact date so as to blame it on Bush.
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H+E Stoeckl May 22, 2004 02:10 PM

Clinton signed the treaty regarding the International Crime Court (ICC) but afterwards the Bush administration refused to ratify it.

The second nation who also refuses to join the ICC is Israel (who else?).

Looking at the current events in Iraq and Palestine I understand perfectly well why the U.S. and Israel are not willing to submit to international justice.

lilroach56 May 22, 2004 06:59 PM

ok, sounded like you were covering up for clinton. Not surprised by Israels failure, they probably enjoy torturing the militants. Makes me wonder why militants are around
< sarcasm >.

Just wondering, but do you have the exact details of the ICC, like what it prevented etc?
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H+E Stoeckl May 22, 2004 08:08 PM

I am hardly interested in the election campaign for presidency in the U.S.

I think that neither Bush nor Kerry are a blessing for your country. Maybe I am a fan of Clinton but only because of his stunt in the Oval Office *LOL (makes him kind of human)

Is it possible that the refusal to ratify the ICC treaty is not a common topic in the U.S.?

In Europe it left the same bad taste as the refusal to sign the Kyoto protocol.
click here to learn more about the ICC

popgoestheweasel May 22, 2004 08:51 PM

As Americans, we have constitutional rights. International tribunals or trials could trample those rights. Things like, a speedy trial, adequate counsel, a trial with a jury of our peers...etc.

H+E Stoeckl May 22, 2004 09:47 PM

... the entire world would watch these trials. Just look at the International Tribunal For War Criminals in Den Haag! Would you earnestly claim that Milosevic and comrades don't get a fair trial there?

Why do you think that Israel and the U.S. of all nations don't ratify the treaty? Because citizens of these countries would be the first ones in the dock.

popgoestheweasel May 22, 2004 09:59 PM

Does the ICC allow for appeals? Where would the person be detained? Would the family have the right to visit the prisoner? You are missing the point about our constitution...innocent until proven guilty! And even the guilty have rights under our constitution (even a bunch most Americans disagree with!) Another point you are equally missing is the fact that the UN doesn't even follow through with its own accords. As soon as Saddam started creating problems with weapons inspectors (and some other issues, he was in violation of the agreement he had with the UN at the end of the conflict in the 1990's. And yet the UN didn't follow through with all of the sanctions. How could the US citizens expect fair treatment from a non governing body, like the UN, for any US citizen being tried? Will Saddam be tried for crimes against humanity (among many other crimes) by the UN?

rodmalm May 23, 2004 04:52 AM

The UN has been unable to accomplish anything for years. They have become little more than a political party that agrees with anything communist/socialist/liberal and in opposition to anything conservative. In fact, we support/subsidize them, and they can't seem to do anything without the US footing the vast majority of the bill, and doing most of the major lifting.

Their great hatred of the US has made many in the US distrust them, including me! Many think this is due to jealousy, since we are so much more successful than virtually any other country on Earth, and we are such a young country, compared to most of them.

For instance, why was the US kicked off the UN Human rights committee and numerous countries with atrocious records on human rights then put on the committee? Why are human rights violations ignored on a regular basis by the UN commission on human rights? Why do they vote to not enforce their own rules on certain countries?

web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGIOR410101996?open&of=ENG-398

Why is the US subject to severe sanctions (fines) in the Kyoto protocol, while countries that pollute far more, like China, are not subject to the same fines? (If they are really interested in the environment, instead of trying to create an unfair atmosphere of world competition that greatly hinders the US, why would they do this?) Politics? Nah!

Rodney

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