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--eating snake. Can you elaborate on its name, locale, and/or something of its natural history?? Thanks. TC

Pitouphis deppei jani, from the northern mountains of Mexico (Durango mountains I believe). This one was captive bred. They also seem to enjoy slightly cooler temps, these are not in my snake room with my NA rats, too hot for them. Beautiful snakes as they get older. I first saw some of these about 10-12 years ago at a snake expo and just had to have some, only they were about $600 a peice as I remember it.

I thought that's what it was. A friend of mine brought back a picture of one from Mexico a couple years ago that was awesome. I've been curious about them ever since, partly because I'm very interested in the herps of Mexico. But they are large snakes, I'm sure, and with my limited resources, I tend to only work with a number of smallish snakes. Maybe after I retire I'll have more time for working with something like that.

Later....TC.

Pitouphis deppei jani, from the northern mountains of Mexico (Durango mountains I believe). This one was captive bred. They also seem to enjoy slightly cooler temps, these are not in my snake room with my NA rats, too hot for them. Beautiful snakes as they get older. I first saw some of these about 10-12 years ago at a snake expo and just had to have some, only they were about $600 a peice as I remember it. Travis.

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Tim

or P. lineaticolis Terry? They are in the Central Americas. I've only seen one or two pics. Quite a few say they look and behave like ratsnakes. They are highly protected in Guatemala and other parts of their range. Only a few exist in the US and only two or three have pairs. I haven't heard of any captive breedings yet. A guy last year put out $1700 to an importer to get two pairs of gibsoni. They never arrived that I know. It looks like you've already been gearing towards retirement by looking at some of the pituophis that will be within your reach. I was looking through my Reptiles of Baja book my wife gave me for Christmas last year. Baja has alot of neat herps.

>>I thought that's what it was. A friend of mine brought back a picture of one from Mexico a couple years ago that was awesome. I've been curious about them ever since, partly because I'm very interested in the herps of Mexico. But they are large snakes, I'm sure, and with my limited resources, I tend to only work with a number of smallish snakes. Maybe after I retire I'll have more time for working with something like that.
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>>Here's a picture of a Sonoran Gopher, P. melanoleucus affinis, that I found this spring in Green Valley, AZ.
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>>Deppei doesn't seem to have the pointier, more ridged snout of melanoleucus, although 'affinis' doesn't have it too much either. The Sonorans live in the desert and are semi-burrowers. It sounds like jani is a montane Pituophis, and not only is adapted to a cooler climate, but is less of a burrower and more like a ratsnake in behavior.
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>>I think Mexico is a really neat area for snakes and a lot of evolution must have gone on there. Do you suppose Pituophis could have evolved from a ratsnake-like ancestor? Anyway, these are great snakes and I'd like to find out more about them. Good luck with producing them, Travis. BTW, how much does c/b offspring cost these days?
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>>Later....TC.
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>>Pitouphis deppei jani, from the northern mountains of Mexico (Durango mountains I believe). This one was captive bred. They also seem to enjoy slightly cooler temps, these are not in my snake room with my NA rats, too hot for them. Beautiful snakes as they get older. I first saw some of these about 10-12 years ago at a snake expo and just had to have some, only they were about $600 a peice as I remember it. Travis.
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Yaa, I heard of gibsoni and lineaticolis, and thought I'd seen at least one of them on someone's site a while back. But I don't have any pics, at least not on this computer. They are sounding more interesting all the time. I've considered getting d.jani or d.deppei, but I'm waiting until I'm set up in AZ, to see what kind of time, space, etc. I'll be having there.

PS: I'm caught up on business and need to shoot you an email about a shipment. Stay tuned. TC.

P. gibsoni
or P. lineaticolis Terry? They are in the Central Americas. I've only seen one or two pics. Quite a few say they look and behave like ratsnakes. They are highly protected in Guatemala and other parts of their range. Only a few exist in the US and only two or three have pairs. I haven't heard of any captive breedings yet. A guy last year put out $1700 to an importer to get two pairs of gibsoni. They never arrived that I know. It looks like you've already been gearing towards retirement by looking at some of the pituophis that will be within your reach. I was looking through my Reptiles of Baja book my wife gave me for Christmas last year. Baja has alot of neat herps.

>>I thought that's what it was. A friend of mine brought back a picture of one from Mexico a couple years ago that was awesome. I've been curious about them ever since, partly because I'm very interested in the herps of Mexico. But they are large snakes, I'm sure, and with my limited resources, I tend to only work with a number of smallish snakes. Maybe after I retire I'll have more time for working with something like that.
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>>Here's a picture of a Sonoran Gopher, P. melanoleucus affinis, that I found this spring in Green Valley, AZ.
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>>Deppei doesn't seem to have the pointier, more ridged snout of melanoleucus, although 'affinis' doesn't have it too much either. The Sonorans live in the desert and are semi-burrowers. It sounds like jani is a montane Pituophis, and not only is adapted to a cooler climate, but is less of a burrower and more like a ratsnake in behavior.
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>>I think Mexico is a really neat area for snakes and a lot of evolution must have gone on there. Do you suppose Pituophis could have evolved from a ratsnake-like ancestor? Anyway, these are great snakes and I'd like to find out more about them. Good luck with producing them, Travis. BTW, how much does c/b offspring cost these days?
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>>Later....TC.
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>>Pitouphis deppei jani, from the northern mountains of Mexico (Durango mountains I believe). This one was captive bred. They also seem to enjoy slightly cooler temps, these are not in my snake room with my NA rats, too hot for them. Beautiful snakes as they get older. I first saw some of these about 10-12 years ago at a snake expo and just had to have some, only they were about $600 a peice as I remember it. Travis.
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Hello Terry and Terry, i have been trying to find or contact the few people working with these guys, and not much luck so far. If you have any leads please send them my way too, and if you want just shoot me an e-mail and i'll let you know what i have found out so far.

Have a good one,

Gregg F.

seen one of your awesome pic posting shows in awhile. Here's Del's female jani. Not a good pic of her whole body. His female is due to drop eggs anyday. Very nice Travis. Hopefully we can produce a pair of catenifers this year to go with your jani. Nice pic Travis

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