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....I'm sorry...we cannot sell you syringes unless you are a client/patient........

I am a client..we take our dog there all the time..for 5 years now.......

silence.......

hello....secretary? are you dumb or ignoring me?.....(ignoring)...(attitude down the nose).......

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OK....run to feed store.....seems farmers can buy syringes anytime off the shelf...........

nope.....none that I need for aspiration.....too small....and they have only one size with a needle.......

.....and they are by the hundred.......

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buy them anyways...22 guage I guess......not big enough to suck anything out really.........I tried.......

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now I have over 100 syringes for nothing...(I hope...no sick snakes needed here).......

.......go to another vet....cut out the phone bull......

.....well....we are out of that size right now(bullchit).......and...........the doctor would have to see you as a client....blah blah blah....lier.......

sold me stuff for years....illegal and all....just costs me $83 for a $20 bottle of anti-biotics...thieves.......

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well...time is out....3 snakes will be dead till I get syringes......oh well.........

I love the vets.......they must be related to human doctors..........

and they suck bigtime........

aaaaaaaahhhhh ...I'm done ranting.........

...........pity the snakes.......but.......they are gonna die for sure............

......this is one......4 eggs stuck .........

having fun yet?...........

JY

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"I still hate snakes"
...........................KNOW

and told them what I needed it for. They sold it to me without a problem. I don't know if it is different up there in the north where you are.

I can go into any drug store here in FL and ask for an 18ga needle and get them all day long, sometimes they ask my why I need them and sometimes they don't. Also have you tries to palputate the egg out of the snake first. Many times a gentel push is all a tired snake needs to get the rest of the energy to get it out. more then likely it is not all four eggs stuck, just the front and once it is passed the rest will come out ok.
Just one more thought though. If you are in an area where you just can not buy needles per the law, then just bring the snakes themselves to the vets. many times a vet will see all four animals for one office visit and if he/she can asperate the egg right in the office then problem is solved. If you paid $83.00 for some antibiotic, then the office visit should be a breeze.
Good Luck
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Jim Hopkins "Hoppy"
Hopkins Holesale Herps
Hopfam1@aol.com

get them overnighted or something, i hope your girls make it through ok.
Syringes and Needles

hmmm, if that link doesn't work go to their website and search for Monoject.

www.drsfostersmith.com

they are gonna die........

I know it......

I worked on them again this evening...they are too stuck ..for lack of better word......

I cannot get egg to show at all at vent.......

oviduct twisted or pushed ahead of itself....

vent distressed now on the one....she may be in shock and dead..seen a vet do it once to a stuarti...........he was dumber than me.......

.......Thanx.....

..........I lose them now and then....I save most......

......aztec female..the best.......an okeetee het hypo.......both too fat.....both too lazy....cages too small........both first litters.......hey both missed last year(?why?)....then laid first time .....at 3 years of age....!.......

I breed them small .....most people wait...but ......if you wait..remember.....not to keep them FAT.................

my thin snakes that look pathetic..lay the best clutches........!

......have fun..........

JY
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"I still hate snakes"
...........................KNOW

>>my thin snakes that look pathetic..lay the best clutches........!

I agree with you there. This year is my first experience breeding corns.... bred three corns... and after it was too late to have second thoughts, I realized the smallest was too small. Had to keep my fingers crossed. Turned out she had the easiest actual laying of the eggs. piece of cake... and the other two, for some reason both of them got substrate in their mouths during or after laying eggs... had to deal with mouthrot in two out of three if you can imagine that. So the little one is fine, and the other two need some serious work done on them.
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~Sasheena

The rule of thumb about 250 grams and 35 inches long to breed a young female is just not necessary, in my opinion. I have bred several females in the 185 gram range and have never had an egg binding incident. In fact, I too believe that it is the overweight females that suffer this most often.

I do not feed my animals at the same rate that others seem to do. So, my two year olds are often less than 200 grams. But, if they are in good flesh and simply look healthy enough to carry eggs, I see no ill effects from breeding them at that lower weight.

I may just be the luckiest guy in the world on this, but I think that some of the hard and fast rules in corns ought not to be hard, nor fast, nor rules. Of course, that's just my little o'l opinion!
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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

I would have loved to have heard that opinion sooner in the season.

I now have one female that is full of slugs because I thought that even though she looked plump, at 250 grams and 32 inches, I thought she was too small to be bred. (I've always heard that you should go by 300 grams and 36 inches.)

I was told by a few local breeders that they would have bred her, but it was already too late, she was already full of slugs.
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alstiver@hotmail.com

1.0 2001 Coral snow cornsnake
0.1 2002 Pastel Ghost poss Het Amelanistic cornsnake
1.1 2002 Bloodred cornsnakes
0.1 1998 Het Hypo, Het Caramel cornsnake
1.0 2000 Hypo Het Caramel cornsnake

I have expressed that view before, but I've been ... detained ... in my posting here for the last year or so.

There are a few others who agree with me on this issue, but the vast majority disagree. I have no huge data base on the issue, so I can only offer anecdotal evidence. I just know that last year, a female of mine was accidentally exposed to a male when she was only what I would deem to be a sub-adult. She laid six fertile eggs with no difficulty at all the day after I weighed her in at 167 grams. She was SMALL, even by my standards!

However, she had no problems. The eggs were destroyed with several other clutches I lost last year in an incubator malfunction, but none were slugs.

I guess I just keep asking myself if the following scenario plays true in my mind's eye:

A wild male corn slithers easily up next to his prospective mate. He catches her "easily" because she is dragging a gram scale and a tape measure in her coils with her. He proposes his intentions, and she politely declines, because, you see, she is not yet at 250 grams and is only 33.5 inches long. "Oh, I'm so sorry," says he, "I'll look you up next year for certain!"

I really don't mean to be sarcastic (well, I guess I do, but I'm trying to use it to make a point, not be a jerk!). I think there are dangers in breeding a snake too soon, but I think there are equally hazzardous situations that arise in breeding too late. I spoke with someone in whom I have a great deal of confidence, and he told me that he by FAR has more problems from first time breeders that are too big, then in first timers that are too small. I agree.
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Darin Chappell
Hillbilly Herps
PO Box 254
Rogersville, MO 65742

Well, I definitely will keep your info in mind for years to come.

And I didn't think that you were trying to be a jerk. In fact you had me laughing, picturing a snake dragging a gram scale, etc., etc.
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alstiver@hotmail.com

1.0 2001 Coral snow cornsnake
0.1 2002 Pastel Ghost poss Het Amelanistic cornsnake
1.1 2002 Bloodred cornsnakes
0.1 1998 Het Hypo, Het Caramel cornsnake
1.0 2000 Hypo Het Caramel cornsnake

Its a shame and I wish the very best for you and your corns. Seems like others have given a few reasonable solutions to your situation. I just hope that I never have to go through that with any of my snakes.

Either way, its a message to some of the novice keepers that breeding your pet corns can have harmful consequences even when you do everything by the book, which I am sure you have done. Even then there are the sometimes deformed babies, the nonfeeders, the still borns, etc, etc. Oh well, sorry to be negative...I just feel bad after reading this and a few other posts in the boa forum about slugs.

Well, anyway, good luck...my thoughts are with ya!
Sincerely,
Jason
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Northeast Snakes
www.members.aol.com/northeastsnakes
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0.2 Green Tree Pythons
2.2 Ringed Pythons
2.3 Ball Pythons
1.2 Hog Island Boas
1.1 Sonoran Desert Boas
1.1 Nicaraguan Boas
1.1 Argentine Boas
0.1 Solomon Island Ground Boa
1.1 Brazilian Rainbow Boas
7.8 Corns (various morphs)
1.1 N. Pines (Pituophis)
0.0.1 N.Diamondback Terrapin

i wasn't calling you novice, in case that is how it might be interpreted...just wanted to clarify since I hit 'post message' rather than 'preview message'...sorry in advance if it was taken the wrong way...I was generalizing.

once again,
good luck and please post with the outcome.

~jason
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Northeast Snakes
www.members.aol.com/northeastsnakes
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0.2 Green Tree Pythons
2.2 Ringed Pythons
2.3 Ball Pythons
1.2 Hog Island Boas
1.1 Sonoran Desert Boas
1.1 Nicaraguan Boas
1.1 Argentine Boas
0.1 Solomon Island Ground Boa
1.1 Brazilian Rainbow Boas
7.8 Corns (various morphs)
1.1 N. Pines (Pituophis)
0.0.1 N.Diamondback Terrapin

..I know what you meant.....

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novices......

keep them thin......
use a bigger cage than you think......28 qt at least......
keep them active........
feed them young mice not fat old ones........
feed them smaller meals.........

I use fuzzy and hopper mice alot..not BIG mice......

I use one small mouse.....maybe 2 or 3 fuzzy at a meal......

my thin girls do better........

these are both fat........

cages too small..........I know.....buy new ones.........sell corns and get balls?...LOL..........

........I bred?.......35? female corns...not sure...never counted...........

...........these 2 will die...I bet on it.....I am done with them,,,,,,,and the vets........

trying store tomorrow...........farm store.....

............Thanx all.......good luck...have fun........

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"I still hate snakes"
...........................KNOW