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Looking for Confirmation

locoiguana May 25, 2004 03:45 PM

A guy I work with saw this snake in his back yard (in South-Eastern Michigan) the other day. He said it was about three feet long. I'm thinking it was an Eastern Milk Snake (as there are really only three or four snakes in Michigan that look like this), but he saw it during the day, swimming across his pool - not especially typical of a Milk Snake. It also looks sort of like an Eastern Massasauga Rattlesnake, but I can't see any sort of rattle on the tail, and it seems like they are usually a bit thicker. Any thoughts?

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Replies (8)

sullman May 25, 2004 04:48 PM

I'm no expert but I would say that is a corn snake. Like I said I'm not an expert so I am most likely wrong..lol...but that is definately not a rattle snake.

sullman May 25, 2004 04:53 PM

Could be a fox snake also...

CamHanna May 25, 2004 05:11 PM

It looks alot like a Fox Snake to me too, though they aren't terribly common their range does fall on to south-eastern Michigan. Note that they are seldom found more than about 20 or 30 miles from the Great Lakes, are you within that range? It's helpfull to look at the snakes cross-section, rat snakes (including the fox snake and corn snake) have a loaf shaped body while most other native snakes are round. More detailed shots, especially anterior photos, would be helpful.

Cam Hanna
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thurockk May 25, 2004 09:11 PM

That looks like an eastern milk to me, Lampropeltis triangulum triangulum, I think.
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Sonya May 25, 2004 09:19 PM

>>A guy I work with saw this snake in his back yard (in South-Eastern Michigan) the other day. He said it was about three feet long. I'm thinking it was an Eastern Milk Snake (as there are really only three or four snakes in Michigan that look like this), but he saw it during the day, swimming across his pool - not especially typical of a Milk Snake. It also looks sort of like an Eastern Massasauga Rattlesnake, but I can't see any sort of rattle on the tail, and it seems like they are usually a bit thicker. Any thoughts?
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>>P.S. - to see a larger pic go here
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I would put money on it being an Eastern Milksnake. I don't see a Massasauga being that light bodied or having that much color. A head shot would tell for sure it wasn't a fox. Tail shot would help confirm it isn't a rattler.
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Sonya

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rearfang May 26, 2004 07:06 AM

Red rat snakes do not naturaly occur in Michigan. Fox snakes have dark brown blotches and a yellowish body. What you have is an Eastern Milk.

Frank
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chriSsS Jun 02, 2004 03:44 PM

im pretty experienced with snakes and my money is on an eastern milksnake. Definetly not a rattlesnake and more than likely no a fox snake. colors and pattern are common to that of an eastern milk. (definetly not venomous)

njsnakeman Jul 24, 2004 09:42 PM

I usually find my milk snakes near or in really shallow water, but never swimming in deep water. But yes it is a Milk Snake.

Brandon

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