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how would i go about producing blazing blizzards i have a male blizzard and a high yellow female thx.

You'd want to buy an albino female and breed them two together. The hatchlings would be double het (albino, blizzard). Breed those siblings together to have a very, very, very slight chance of producing an animal that was homozygous for both traits... Albino Blizzard.

Hope this helped.

BTW - the chance's of producing a Blazing Blizzard are right around 1:1000 or even more.... Although some breeders have had much better luck on producing these guys... I believe VMS had hatched out its first blazing blizzard early in the initial double het pairings... I could be wrong though, but I do know they have produced a few of them.

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1.1 blizzerd lizzard-grim & amber
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
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0.1.0 bearded dragon-blaze
1.0.0 uromastyx-chubby
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0.2 sisters
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N/P.

about trying to create blazing blizzards...it appears the genes for the albino (I think 2 of the strains...) and blizzard traits are on the same chromosome, and are "linked." Meaning that the way the parents are is likely to be the way the offspring are...independant assortment doesn't apply. The majority of the time the recessive albino allele will be paired with the dominant (normal) blizzard allele, and the recessive blizzard allele will be paired with the dominant (normal) albino allele. Occasionally there will be crossing over, allowing there to be a double recessive (i.e. blazing blizzard). Anyway...I heard they may be linked...but I could be wrong. It would explain the low ratio of blazing blizzards in offspring though.
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

linkage only applies if the genes are very close to each other on the same chromosome. if they are relatively far away, then you can use simple mendelian genetics, even if the genes are on the same chromosome, as crossing over is very common.

that it appears two of the albino strains and the blizzard gene are all linked. I was just explaining how it would work for them. Being on the same gene DOES always cause linkage...it WILL always be askew from mendelian predictions...however the farther apart 2 genes are on a chromosome the less the effects are, and the effects can be extremely minimal.
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

i'm going to ignore the obvious error and assume you did not mean to state "being on the same gene does...." and assume you ment to say chromosome.

with that being said, you are still very much wrong about linkage. in order to see two genes assorting together, they must be very closely linked. being on the same chromosome does not mean anything. recombination occurs thousands of times on a single chromosome during meiosis. if the two genes are far enough away, then you can treat it as independent assortment in which mendelian genetics does apply. any introductory genetics book can very clearly explain this as it is a very elementary topic. i would suggest "Basic Genetics" written by Daniel Hartl (probably 4th or 5th edition by now). it is a very easy concept and i'm sure he explains it in less than a couple pages with pictures and diagrams (it has been years since i read this book for a class). look in the text under recombination or linkage.

I just finished a genetics course btw... Skewing of mendelian numbers caused by genes being on the same chromosome is linkage...the genes don't necessarily have to be right next to each other...the closer they are, the more they are linked...the farther apart they are the less they are linked. It's also less likely for crossing over to occur closer to the centromeres of chromosomes...meaning genes there can be farther apart to have the same "level" of linkage as genes closer to the extremes of the chromosomes. My point was simply that blazing blizzards don't occur in mendelian ratios...it appears as though there is linkage involved.
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

as soon as you get one homozygous for both, cross it to a het and now you are at 1/4 again. 1/16 is not "bad" odds. it is just "the" odds.

you have two animals which are heterozygous for albino and blizard. the odds of each chromosome being passed on to the offspring is 1/2. animal 1 albino 1/2 X alimal 2 albino 1/2 X animal 1 blizzard 1/2 X animal 2 blizzard 1/2. 1/2 X 1/2 X 1/2 X 1/2 is 1/16. so in truth, EVERY single breeder on earth has a much better chance than 1/1000.

it would probably be best if you don't know the answer to not make something up.

I've heard estimates even lower than that. From what I've heard it appears the genes for two strains of albino and blizzard are all linked....causing combination of the traits to be VERY difficult, and the occurance of double recessives very rare.
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

if they are linked then you are probably correct. however, i/1000 is probably not very accurate and is probably closer to 1/16. the fact that very few animals are produced in a year and add that a female can store sperm makes the actual ratios fairly difficult to judge, even with looking at a single trait. just to make things simple, a female lays 10 clutches of 2 per year means that, statistically, you have yourself 1 blazing blizzard per year. add other factors such as sperm storage and each event is independent of all previous events, over a short period of time your odds are very very bad. however, if you gecko could lay 1000 eggs, you will probably find that the ratio realy isn't all that bad.

I have no idea what the actual ratios come out to be...but seeing as though (as far as I know...) there have only been maybe 3 or 4 blazing blizzards born from all the people trying to breed them, the ratio is looking REALLY low, and not anywhere near 1/16.
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

Your right, 1:16 is the exact ratio for most offspring when it would come to a DH breeding... That ratio doesn't hold true when it comes to BOTH Tremper Patternless Albinos OR Blazing Blizzards...

I think its time YOU did some research before you go stepping on other peoples toes..

BTW - as far as the 1:1000 chance of hatching out a baby blazing blizzard... well, to a bunch of breeders working with them that would be pretty generous. Some even report it as low as 1:2000...

Review past posts if you'd like.

ignorance must be nice huh? you'll have to let me know sometime how it works.

You can think what you want to think. Everyones entitled to their own opinion.

I tell you what, make your own double hets with an albino and blizzard, get 32 eggs from those guys and show us the two Blazing Blizzards that you'll hatch out in your eyes.

You can EASILY get 16 eggs per female, that'll be more then enough to accomplish what your trying to prove. Heck you'll even have some eggs to spare if they don't hatch out as easy as your thinking.

Then this whole thing will be put to rest...

n/p - read original post (above).

Would a male Red Eyed Tremper Albino Het Blizzard and a female Blizzard Het Albino have a better chance at producing a Blazing Blizzard?

Thanks

assuming the blizzard genes are in fact the same gene (which i believe they are), you would have a 50% chance of a blizzard offspring. the female will give one of here blizzard genes to the offspring and the male has a 50%, or 1/2 chance.

the albino is another problem. the two albinos you are talking about are two different genes. your male will give one of his chromosomes for sure, but the female has a 1/2 chane of giving her albino gene. even if she does, the animal will still be wild-type with respect to albino. at best you will get a blizzard with het for two albino at the odds of 1/4 (1/2 albino from female, 1/2 blizzard from male). the animal will most certainly be blizzard and will most certainly be het for tremper albino.

what would be really cool would be in the next generation if you could get both homozygous albino genes as well as blizzard!

if you really care about the genetics behind it, zip me off an email and i can explain to you how you can get it, odds, etc. i am getting my Ph.D in genetics from the university of maryland. unlike a lot of people, i can actually prove it too!

longloungelizzard@yahoo.com

hope this helps!

If the traits followed the rules of mendelian genetics...if they did then you would expect a 1/4 chance of getting blazing blizzards...however since they appear not to follow mendelian genetics (or so I've heard), the chances are much smaller...although probably still higher than crossing 2 double hets.
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

n/p
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

the way the question was phrased made it sound like the two albino strains were different (there are more than one genes which result in albino) in which case 1/4 chance of blazing blizzard does not apply to this situation. however, if the albino genes are the same, then i would agree with you 100% in the 1/4 ration. maybe i did not fully understand the question being asked.

that's why I responded to myself and said it would be different if there were 2 different strains.
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

The male is a red eyed Tremper Albino het Blizzard and the Female is a Blizzard het Tremper Albino!

Thanks!

Look for about 50 to be released.
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E2MacPets
http://www.e2macpets.com

np

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them, but they never actually had any up...as far as I know I've seen just about every leo ad that's been up...did I miss something?.....
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

i think so. i only found out about them by cruising the classifieds. i just recently purchased a few animals and was looking at all of the breeders and ran across an ad or two and then saw some at individual sites. the prices ranged from $300-$700. i don't remember off the top of my head where i saw them, but i'll try to find them and post links.

of the ones that will be up for sale?...
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

I am in disbelief, make me a believer!

Doesn't mean it is blazing blizzard. A blazing is an all white leo with red eyes. It might be an albino blizzard but if it doesn't have red eyes it isn't a blazing.
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0.1 "Tremper" looking Albino Leopard gecko (Lex)
0.0.1 tiger crested gecko (peachs)
1.1 Feral cats that we adopted (Fuzzy, and Bear)

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you just made on the other forums, and was promptly corrected by the "old timers" that a blazing blizzard is just an albino blizzard...they suspect the low numbers of blazing blizzards to be due to linkage.
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

What does that mean? i didn't understand it well. I always thought blazings were red eyed albino blizards, not just albino blizzards.
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0.1 "Tremper" looking Albino Leopard gecko (Lex)
0.0.1 tiger crested gecko (peachs)
1.1 Feral cats that we adopted (Fuzzy, and Bear)

My image Gallery

regardless of eye color
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

How is that a blazing blizzard? The definition of blazing blizzard is "a white gecko with blazing red eyes" (blazing blizard). Who said that a blazing was an albino blizzard?
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0.1 "Tremper" looking Albino Leopard gecko (Lex)
0.0.1 tiger crested gecko (peachs)
0.1 Red blood python (???)
1.1 Feral cats that we adopted (Fuzzy, and Bear)

My image Gallery

and some of the other "old timers"
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

I was under the impression that a "Blazing" Blizzard whas an albino x blizzard with red eyes.
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Marcia McGuiness
Golden Gate Geckos
www.goldengategeckos.com

It was basically Robin and Chris (Newsom)
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

a blazing blizzard had even been bred...and there was some controversy with Prehistoric reptiles about the whole thing.
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

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0.1 "Tremper" looking Albino Leopard gecko (Lex)
0.0.1 tiger crested gecko (peachs)
0.1 Red blood python (???)
1.1 Feral cats that we adopted (Fuzzy, and Bear)

My image Gallery

n/p
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

I have to interject, a Blazing Blizzard must have read eyes! Regardless of what these oldtimers say! Perhaps they have just gotten too old, their memories are slipping!

If you honestly expect to see someone drop $2500 for a "blazing blizzard" with no red eyes your crazy!

I have seen "white" blizards! But their not Blazing! Blazing equals red eyes! Just ask VMS! They have produced and continue to produce Blazing Red Eyed Blizzards!

Explain to me what character trait a Blizard is going to show to reflect the Albino gene, if not red eyes?

Let's get this all cleared up! And I'm sorry nobody has produced 50 genuine Blazing Blizzards! Nobody!

Brandon

I have to interject, a Blazing Blizzard must have read eyes! Regardless of what these oldtimers say! Perhaps they have just gotten too old, their memories are slipping!

The Deftion keeps chaning.

If you honestly expect to see someone drop $2500 for a "blazing blizzard" with no red eyes your crazy!

Yes due to their genetic rarness like bp the lucy and it can looks like peibald through slective bred to make it 100% white

I have seen "white" blizards! But their not Blazing! Blazing equals red eyes! Just ask VMS! They have produced and continue to produce Blazing Red Eyed Blizzards!

Most of them will have red eye when they are babies and offen losse the redness by they gets to adult

Explain to me what character trait a Blizard is going to show to reflect the Albino gene, if not red eyes?

their skin will be more trancult than normal and almsot can see heart

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Preston Berry
www.freewebs.com/coolgeckoUnder Construction
restonberry@austin.rr.com" target="_blank">Prestonberry@austin.rr.com

They are from Albino to Blizzard. The Red eye are not genetic and offen happens in hatchling that why we don't see alot of red eye Tremper Albinos adults. They eye color are just radom and not genetic due to my testing out compared to Ron Tremper's result. Some report say 1/1,000 to 1/2,000 and VMS bloodline are best to start with and their chance was 2/70 which is very supsiucous to me on their Tremper line.

Other note.
Kelli and I noticed that double het for bb to double het for bb and most of them would be blizzard and low rate of Albinos. My one of thought that Blizzard might be domiant ressivce which that why we cannot make alot of true banna blizzards and Blazing Blizzards.
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Preston Berry
www.freewebs.com/coolgeckoUnder Construction
restonberry@austin.rr.com" target="_blank">Prestonberry@austin.rr.com

n/p
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

As in a double homozygous for Patternless and Blizzard will look like a Blizzard. And a double homozygous for Albino and Blizzard will look like a Blizzard.
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E2MacPets
http://www.e2macpets.com

n/p
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.

I made other grammar mistake. I really meant they acts like they are domiant genes for ressivce genes and which we might cannot see alot of banna blizzard or Blazing Blizzard. From my experince I notice that Blizzard almost always out numbers the albinos, when they are from Double het to double het and it happens in Bell Albino line as well.
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Preston Berry
www.freewebs.com/coolgeckoUnder Construction
restonberry@austin.rr.com" target="_blank">Prestonberry@austin.rr.com

And if the genes can take dominance over each other (epistasis) and thus you may get an Albino Blizzard that looks like a Blizzard then why would it be called Blazing? I think we are all over thinking this, right into the ground!

What appeal would their be to a morph that totally hids it's traits? In other words why would someone pay top dollar for a Blizzard that is masking it's Albino trait!

from the couple of photos VMS has of bb's, it appears the baby was born without grey on it's head...unlike any normal bliz hatchling I've seen photos of. Assuming that's the way it is for all bb's and bliz's, then that would be one way to distinguish. Also, not all albinos have red eyes...neither of my albino leos have red eyes...they have tannish eyes. There is an eye color difference however from normals, so I'd think you would still see the difference.

I have no clue about the epistasis idea...
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Christina

Leopard Gecko Morph Descriptions

2.3 leos
-0.1 tangerine het rainwater albino w/jungle background (Blinkers)
-0.2 jungles (Vahz & Skissor)
-1.0 tremper albino (Spitfire)
-1.0 tangerine rainwater albino (Bronx)

-ignorance is not to be punished when one is trying to gain knowledge...what scares me is the vast number of people who, when given the information to gain knowledge, choose to ignore it.