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I took advantage of the beautiful weather and snapped a few pics while I was cleaning cages today. Both of the animals pictured are females. The lighter one is an unproven morph...but eggs are due to hatch in about a week...

Tom

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Beautiful ladies!

What do you call the "unproven" morph? Gorgeous and I hope she does prove out. ;D

Hugs!

Amanda Rose

That's a good question. I haven't really come up with anything yet. The clutch is due to hatch next week that would prove her trait.

What do you think would be a good name?

Tom

Beautiful fader burm. You are the only person I know of that is trying to prove this one out. Why aren't any of the big names working with them. What was she bred with, another fader or a regular. Good luck and beautiful snakes. Todd

I guess I am the only one working with them because I am the only one in the U.S. that has them. The female in the above picture should prove to NOT be a Fader. The Fader is another morph all together. It's really a long story, but as soon as my next clutch of eggs hatches, the Fader should be proven genetic and the morph in picture above should be as well. At that time, I will all of the information that I need to explain why the Fader was once believed to be a non-genetic morph. But...trust me...this is not a Fader.

Tom

Looks identical to all the other fader pics Ive ever seen. Why would you think it's something different?

Other than the 2 photos on Bob's site, ALL of the Fader pics that you have ever seen were taken by me. I thought that this animal was a Fader at one time, as did Bob. I bought it as a Fader. That's why you may have erroneously seen it labeled as a Fader. However, this animal did not produce Faders when bred to a Fader, and it really doesn't look like a Fader. Therefore, the babies of that clutch were raised up and bred back to the parents in order to prove that both morphs would be unique and genetically independent. Proving the Fader to be genetic was going to be a long, hard project because of the animal pictured above that was thrown into original the breeding group 5 years ago. All of the offspring that were produced were double het, that is why the Fader was thought to be non-genetic, they all LOOKED normal. At this point, all of this is my hypothesis. I will know for sure next week when the clutches start to hatch.

Tom

Looks to me like a golden burm.

Definitely not a golden. Goldens still maintain their pattern throughout their body where as a fader, and this one, the pattern some what blurs away as the pattern goes down the side of the snake. Still a beautiful snake that I hopes proves out. Todd

What is a "Golden Burm"? I've seen that name tagged on many light colored or hypo-ish appearing burms. As Tom has said this animal is definately different in appearance when side by side with the "fader" burm. She has different color and different pattern variation. I've seen the animals in person, and it is apparent what he is stating. I've spoken at lentgh with Tom on this project, and his hypothesis is a very convincing one. All the info he has gathered points in the direction he is going with it.
You can tag just about any name on any given animal. But I think Tom is trying to represent these animals for what they truely are, not tag them with a generic name. When the eggs hatch, then the difference should be obvious.The information, and results from the prior breedings that were achieved, and the results from these breedings will support his point. Exciting anyway you look at it. Jim

Just looking at the picture, she looked like she could be described as a golden burm. I didn't know that was a name already given to a specific morph.

>>I took advantage of the beautiful weather and snapped a few pics while I was cleaning cages today. Both of the animals pictured are females. The lighter one is an unproven morph...but eggs are due to hatch in about a week...
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>>Tom
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"To be the best..........You must lose your mind."

Please keep us posted on the eggs! I really hope they prove out for you.

>>>>I took advantage of the beautiful weather and snapped a few pics while I was cleaning cages today. Both of the animals pictured are females. The lighter one is an unproven morph...but eggs are due to hatch in about a week...
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>>>>Tom
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Thomas Jones
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The name "marble burm" has been tagged on a burm before. that was never proven beyond a single animal to my knowledge. I think Tom is looking for something a litle more original. If you saw this female in person, you would have a hard time naming the morph as well. Words are hard to come by that do her justice.

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Nice! How big is the regular phase Burm?

Caramel Dreams.

Or perhaps, Stonewash Burms? Either way, I'd buy them most definitely!!!!

Hugs!!

Amanda Rose