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taming??

flamedragon May 27, 2004 09:23 PM

What is the best way to tame baby savannah i have had mine for a month or 2 and iv been letting him get sittled in and eatting good and he is doing all that so i want to start handling him so what is the best way to tame??
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Thinks for all the help
Brandon
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1.1.0 bearded dragons(Crisis,Infinity)
0.0.1 monitor (Professor Chaos)
0.0.1 tarantula (Buu)

Replies (25)

nejoum May 27, 2004 11:45 PM

Just pick him up everyday. Eventually he will stop hissing, whipping, puffing, biteing and relax. Then slowly increase the time held.
Diana

monitor09 May 28, 2004 12:09 AM

Just pick him up everyday. Eventually he will stop hissing, whipping, puffing, biteing and relax. Then slowly increase the time held.
Diana

Im sorry but this is not a baby throwing a temper tantrum this may or may not work. If it does calm down it may be because it is scared of you and will just sit still because it is too scared to struggle. Why dont you just leave it alone feed it and then it will come around or maybe you wont. We dont get monitors so that we can dress them up and play with them like they are dolls. Most of us and I say "most of us" because there are some wackos that think other wise. But most of us know the potential danger a monitor can pose so dont pick it up until it stops being normal. Rather feed it elevate its enclosure and let it feel secure then hell come around. Patience is virtuous try it that way you dont have a full grown monitor hating your guts because you picked it up its entire babyhood without him wanting it.

alex

nejoum May 28, 2004 12:22 AM

I think the operative word here is "Tame" NOT dominate!!!
My guy is NOT dominated! He is Tamed!
He is not afraid or "in fear"!
He loves to come out! I take him out side to sun every day!! He sparls out on my lap and goes to sleep!
Or we poke around the yard together!
If you enjoy keeping a animal in a cage to just clean and feed everyday and wear gloves to handle...great!
I prefer to interact with my reptiles!
The onely mean lizard I have is a Tokey Gecko!
Now thats mean!
Diana

monitor09 May 28, 2004 12:29 AM

Wow whats with all the exclamation points.........lady check yourself at the door no need for attitude. I stated some tame some dont if you want to play with your monitor like its a monkey by all means feel free. Its great that you have your little monitor garden with you and crack jokes together. Personally i dont think monitors were genetically inherited to play martha stewart with their keepers. Again this is not natural monitor behavior to me.

My monitors dont rot in their cages from what i see they seem happy they sleep together they poop together and they hump thats all they were meant to do not garden bake cakes and mess around with me.

nejoum May 28, 2004 12:36 AM

If you want them to b so natural...why didn't you just leave them in the wild!
You could set up a mud hut and live right on the river bank!
Conversation closed!
Diana

monitor09 May 28, 2004 12:44 AM

By the way Diana my animals are all cb they have never experienced the wild so how would they know if theyre in the wild or not? what do you keep? A cb sav? lmao bring it over to my place maybe it can bake a cake for me and clean up my wifes flowers.

if you can be immature why cant i right?

nejoum May 28, 2004 12:52 AM

My Sav is CB...And he is not a servant!
He just likes to poke around and see what I am doing!
Anyway he has never wanted to dig a hole were I wanted him to!
LOL!
Diana

monitor09 May 28, 2004 12:54 AM

Cb where in africa or here in the US? Just curious serious question. Glad you have a sense of humor about it because this is all funny as hell to me too.

nejoum May 28, 2004 01:07 AM

I got him from a guy in San Diego.
He had about 6 of them ....plus the adults. He had a add posted in a local pet shop.
By the way his name is Farkel. He doesn't come per say...(Don't expect him to.)
But he knows I am communicating to him and not one of my other animals if I use his name. I beleive there is a mental coumication between all beings. You just have to tap into it. Thats part of taming.
You probably thing I am a nut...thats OK.
You will come around in a lifetime or two.
Diana

monitor09 May 28, 2004 11:51 AM

Well id like to be like you and Dr. Dolittle and have the ability to talk to my animals but unfortunatley I cant. Special talents or abilities must not run in my genes, or my monitors for that matter since my monitors cant garden or bake cakes with my me either. I guess were just no talents.....anyways just because someone has 6 baby savs and a couple of adults that doesnt make them cb any thoughts on that ? Tell fartle i said hi and congratulate him on his talents.

spookcity May 28, 2004 08:13 AM

how do you know he is cb?
i really dont know many breeders or people who seriously study monitors to own a sav nore want one

nejoum May 28, 2004 08:27 AM

Well they were advertised as CB. I also saw the adults.
Diana

monitorman315 May 28, 2004 08:47 AM

mine is also CB bred by a friend of mine so i was there when it hatched but cant speak for the others. I just thought i'd mention that because of the way you worded your post could be taken as if YOU dont know any serious herpers keeping/breeding Savs then its not happening. But that would be out of context , am i right?
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Jaye- "If you begin to understand what you are without trying to change it, then what you are undergoes a transformation.". ... Jiddu Krishnamurti

monitor09 May 28, 2004 11:55 AM

Got pictures proving what you stated dude? Because the ones I know have pics to walk the talk.

its all about facts on the internet man.

not too many cb savs around from my knowledge and my contacts.

monitorman315 May 28, 2004 01:25 PM

But when i get to work tonight i'll try and find out if Mike has any pictures of his monitors clutches, female gravid or eggs hatching.
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Jaye- "If you begin to understand what you are without trying to change it, then what you are undergoes a transformation.". ... Jiddu Krishnamurti

monitor09 May 28, 2004 01:52 PM

Never said you did man .........read carefully

jcmonitor May 28, 2004 09:11 AM

Well I know enough that all of these cbb sav babies are spoken for.

jcmonitor May 28, 2004 09:13 AM

See it does happen and there are some of us out there that love to keep savs and breed then not for money but for the sake of just doing so.

monitorman315 May 28, 2004 09:44 AM

Does it hold mosture, burrow well? I am currently using dirt from outside for my sav but it seems to be drying out too fast so if you have something that works plesae share lol. I found a good mix for my Salvator of playsand and topsoil that works great but its a baby and its cage is a lot smaller than my savs, not to mention that this sand i used is expensive as hell. Thanks for sharing the pics, thats a heck of alot of eggs. Good luck with em.
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Jaye- "If you begin to understand what you are without trying to change it, then what you are undergoes a transformation.". ... Jiddu Krishnamurti

jcmonitor May 28, 2004 10:07 AM

LOL that would be just a rug. I usually keep my male and female separate and am working on a new room that has a mix of decomposed granite and sand for the both of them, but this breeding I just let them out of their cages and have the room to themselves.

But nature took its coarse and well I now have 66 eggs with more on the way they just bred again on Tuesday. Now after about a week of the breeding I put the female back in her nesting cage which has some sand, decomposed granite, and the ground coconut bed a beast stuff. It makes for good moisture and holds a nice burrow. She digs right down into it and when she is done she covers them right over. I use the vermiculite/peralite mix for the incubator.

It's like clock work so far, every breeding from the last day she lays 12 days to the day later. Then 21 days after laying she ovulates and is looking for the male. They are very much pair bonded because when she is ready she makes a huge ruckus in her cage to come out and find him. They are quit used to one another, I also don't mind them being on the floor because it is steam cleaned offten and is probably more sanitary from the cleaning and soft on her belly than the sand and granite.

monitorman315 May 28, 2004 10:56 AM

Thx anyway you still offered some good info, may i ask where you found decomposed granite? I think pro exotics uses that stuff also or some variation of it. How often does your female go in to heat or whatever, i may have to get me a female or i may have one an need a male whichever an learn to breed. Though my percentage of success would probably be higher with my Salvator being as though its still a baby. I'd think it would be easier to introduce a mate while they are young than to wait. My Savannah is 8 months , give or take a month and already going on 2 feet and couldnt imagine it being too thrilled about company but who knows unless you try. Any advice on intoducing another
sAV?
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Jaye- "If you begin to understand what you are without trying to change it, then what you are undergoes a transformation.". ... Jiddu Krishnamurti

jcmonitor May 28, 2004 02:15 PM

well the granite I get from a friend of mine who owns a stone quarry along with an assortment of sand and loom.

Now when it comes to waters, I have a few of those too, and the younger and earlier you get them together the better IMO. I think there is a reference to this a few threads down that FR was commenting on when you have an established pair you can possibly lower your chances of future breeding by adding a new variable into the mix. Now I would have to say I agree, all my pairs, I have had since they were little, especially my savs. I also have a few args and a large nile. Now they all have different enclosures, however they have all been raised together as pairs and allowed to socialize (using that word loosely) with the others at different points in time.

As far as breeding savs goes I am new to this too, not many people do it because there is no money in it for them. I do it because I new after the first year that I had a boy and a girl, once you see the two up close you can tell there are actually some very noticeable differences when you know what to look for. I just wanted to give nature a chance to do what it does and test my husbandry. I have not written any books, I am not a listed authority, never mind the fact that I am honored when people like Frank and Andrew speak to me instead of down at me, I am a new guy on the block, but my testament is that I have at least gotten as far as having viable eggs so I guess I am doing something right but never count your critters before they hatch and five months is a long time, but I am hoping for the best.

I have introduced one new animal only a few months ago another nile and I can see already that the older of my two is very defensive, not aggressive but absolutely avoids the new one. So my advice get whatever you can get now when they are young. Don't over crowd yourself or go broke doing so and building new enclosures but the sooner the better your chances of keeping everyone happy and less stressed, best of luck in doing so.

monitor09 May 28, 2004 11:57 AM

You were one of the folks that I was talking about earlier that was breeding them successfully and was providing evidence congrats on them the eggs look great.

alex

jcmonitor May 28, 2004 01:57 PM

Thank you again for that. I was quit flattered to be in the list of names that you rattled off. I do appreciate it and any information I can share and offer I will. Just ask, I won't say I know everything or anything but I know what has worked for me and what I have seen first hand.

Thanks again

monitor09 May 28, 2004 02:22 PM

No problem bro I dont keep savs but I think what you have done and your intentions are admirable. Thats why were hobbyists and not brokers because we love our rascals keep up the good work.

alex

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