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Yellow fungus...

Cihuapilli May 28, 2004 08:51 PM

Sorry to introduce myself to this community on a bad note.

Back in November, I had started working at Petsmart in the reptile and fish department, taking care of both the animals in isolation and on the sales floor. One of my first days there, I was introduced to Patch, a bearded dragon approximately 7 months old at the time. He had been in isolation for quite some time for treatment of an eye infection and stomatitis. Luckily, both cleared up rather well and after some persuasion, I had convinced the managers to allow me to adopt him.

Despite his eye being covered in scar tissue, I have fallen in love. He's so sweet, something that I had never known lizards to be able to have in their personality. He has grown into such a gorgeous young male, but today I was greeted with some bad news regarding his health. I had noticed a yellow patchiness around his vent and brought him to the vet after reading several articles on yellow fungus. Sure enough, that is what the diagnosis appears to indicate, so the vet prescribed an anti-fungal oral medication for two months. I can't say I forsee anything going horribly wrong since I had managed to catch it early, but I was wondering if any of you were aware of whether or not this is contagious to humans? I know it is very easily transmitted between other beardies, but this is not a huge worry for me since Patch is my only one.

Thank you ahead of time.

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beardiedragon May 28, 2004 10:00 PM

I dont remember the details, they are on Cheri's site retilerooms.com. There are 2 types of fungus. one is treated topically and the other internally. if treated wrong it can cause the fungus to accelerate and kill your BD. Sorry I dont have time to check for you right now but if you go to the site or write to Cheri you will get the answers.

Get some nolvasan or hexasol for topical treatment either way.
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Cihuapilli May 28, 2004 10:11 PM

I'll definitely look into treating the external patches with that as well. To be honest, Cheri's article was the first one that a co-worker had told me to check out. What's more is that the vet I brought Patchy to also said it was a great site, so I was looking at the right places for information.

I'm just worried that my younger sister (who handles Patch a lot) or myself (since I'm doing a lot of cleaning in his tank) can contract this fungal infection as well.

dmlove May 28, 2004 10:13 PM

I do not think that it is contagious to humans, from what i remember, but definetly make sure by talking to her. But i dont think humans can get it.
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Cihuapilli May 28, 2004 10:16 PM

By "her," I'm thinking you mean the vet? That's something I will do when it's not quite as late. I'll probably call her tomorrow.

Thanks.

dmlove May 29, 2004 09:50 AM

np
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2.3 Bearded dragons (Rocco,Chong,Artemis,Cheech,Anna Nicole)
2.2 Eastern Box Turtles (Snappy, Mercuria, Gizmo, Galapago)
1.0 Ball Python (Carson)
0.0.8 Red Eared Sliders

0.1 Timneh African Grey (Roxy)

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CheriS May 29, 2004 11:47 AM

how to treat their dragon that was infected with YFD, by a Vet tech, I thought it was kind of funny.
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CheriS May 29, 2004 02:57 AM

There has never been any cases of YFD tranferring to any others but reptiles, and it can transfer between species of them.

Do you know the name of the oral med that he has prescribed for your dragon? Really keep hydration up while he is taking the oral meds, they can be very harsh on the liver and kidneys.

You will probably find that the original problem with the eye and stomactitis was the same thing, and it has been in him that long. If he came in from a certain supplier of bearded dragons to many pet stores, he has had it since hatching. But that is good, it means it is the slowing moving one that is very treatable.

Talk to you vet about Nolvasan washes/rinse afterwards and a topical for the vent area, and if he okay's it..... don't freak when the upper dermis sloughes off in a day or two, thats normal and its dead skin already, not something the nolvasan is causing, its something its revealing.

Also, adding some Acidolphiliz to his diet (3 drops a day)really helps them too, if its showing on his vent area, thats a good indicator that it is through his digestive tract and the Acidolphiliz brings that back into control very fast.

Some types of the YFD has been successfully treated with the nolvasan, topical antifungal(lamisil) and Acidoplphiz . The Acidolphiliz also helps keep them eating while on the oral meds.

Best to you and him
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Cihuapilli May 29, 2004 08:58 AM

Thank you for that information.

The vet had put him on itraconazole. She said she had recently come back from a seminar on yellow fungus a few weeks ago and research apparently points towards this as being one of the most effective in the treatment of the fungus. She wanted me to start off with just the oral meds to see how his digestive tract handles it, and after two weeks, bring him back in to discuss a topical treatment for the external fungal growth. It's pretty difficult to find the itraconazole to begin with, but she was kind enough to put in a special call for me to pick it up today.

Oh yeah, and she mentioned that your article is a great source of information.

CheriS May 29, 2004 11:45 AM

that Dr Johnson presented his talk on for YFD, May 6th - 11th. He contacted me a few months ago to gather data, treatment and picture for his presentation. He had treated a dragon with this a few years ago. That dragon was put down and the owners contacted me when a second one was ill. That is the family that he based his presentation on to your vet and others to educate them about YFD.

About you dragon and the treatment your vet is using. He really does need to have the external addressed also with topical asap. Dr Jean Pare, University of Wisconsin, who I consider the top authority in the US at this time on fungi and reptiles recommends debriefing the area with nolvasan and topicals, you can print out the below and take discuss with your Vet, but we know this is the path that it follows now and this is what he said in an email to me when we were trying to trace the nature of the disease and the routine it follows.

"If fungal growth is in its initial stage,
simple shedding can eliminate the fungus. I believe (again I could be wrong)
that disease typically starts as a dermatomycosis (fungal skin infection)
and later disseminates to organs. Reptiles do not have much tissue between
the skin and the muscles, therefore it is relatively easy for fungi to move
through the skin to deeper tissues and organs"

We now know that even with the oral meds, it can move into the tissue, blood and organs becoming septic very fast. Treating with nolvasan washes/rinse and topical meds will NOT harm the dragon and it will help, it works fairly fast to halt it moving into tissue and blood while the oral meds clear their digestive system. Other professionals and Dr Pare agree this should be followed now.

Itraconazole is the med that we currently think is the best one to use. It did not respond to Terbinafine, and Fluconazole did kill the fungus but is too harsh, causing kidney damage. This is also a reason why we have switched to using a pulse method for the meds (every other day). It helps them deal with the meds and keep eating. We hope to have a dosing and time period down that works but has little side effects soon.

To clarify, we do not have this in our breeder colony, we did lose two in 2001 to it that we had bought. Until Dr Pare or another University researcher has funding to support housing and treating dragons with this and finding the meds that cure it, we do accept dragons that are infected with it and treat them. They are in strict quarantine from our other reptiles, treated humanely, guided by Dr Pare and monitored closely by our own Vet here. All data, pictures and results we collect are shared with Dr Pare and other Vets, alllowed to be used freely. This is a great example of owners, breeders and the medical community working together to sharing their ill animals, information, and finding answers that are working.

Two years ago, all dragons that contacted this died, a year ago many still did, but now the majority survive, due to others working together, willing to educate their peers and looking to the future of this species.
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