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hi. about 4 months ago i finally got my horned frog after clearing up some viv space and what seemed like and eternity of waiting, i even managed to over come that impulse buy and put off a couple that popped up until i found an albino.

in all my rearch before and since ive got it the albino's were all crawelli's . however my petshop had this labeled as c. ornata. its an exotics only shop and there usually great but i am beging to doubt its an ornata and that they may have labeled this wrong . ive tried matching pix and patterns on both cranwelli and ornata to see if i could id myself but i couldnt lol.

im almost 100% certain what i have is a cranwelli but can anyone clear this up for me, it doesnt effect its care at all but im very curious as like to know exactly what im keeping

The albino gene has not been located in ornata as far as I know. All the albinos out there are cranwelli.
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Andy Maddox
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The Reptizone

If you steal in hunger, I will kick you when you try. These stand for me. Name your god and bleed the freak. I'd like to see. How you all would bleed for me.-Alice In Chains

Or hybrids...

Ed

i have just purchase 4 .ornatas albinos.......they r definitely albinos ornatas...i have cross reference it with pix and books...it is an ornata....parents are from japan.....the yellow is very...or rather extremely bright...with some red markings near face...

Which one has the really sharp-looking horns above the eyes? I thought it was Ornata, w/ Cranweli being more rounded above the eyes. ??
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0.1 Hog Island Boa Isaboa
1.3.0 leos, Yoda, Geo, Tang, Ginger
1.0 Blue Tongue Skink Indigo (Indy)
0.1.1 frogs Buffy the Cricket Slayer, Butrose Butrose Froggy
1.1.4 firebelly newts Wayne Newton, Isaac Newton, Fig Newton, Juice Newton, Olivia Newton John & Helmut Newton
1.1.0 cats Gus & Mena

Cranwelli have the more pronounced horns along with a larger head in proportion to the body. Ornata have smaller horns with a smaller head in proportion to the body.
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Andy Maddox
AIM: SurfAndSkimTx04
MSN: Poloboy32486@hotmail.com
Yahoo:surfandskimtx04
Houston Herp Key
The Reptizone

If you steal in hunger, I will kick you when you try. These stand for me. Name your god and bleed the freak. I'd like to see. How you all would bleed for me.-Alice In Chains

Oh, thank you.
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0.1 Hog Island Boa Isaboa
1.3.0 leos, Yoda, Geo, Tang, Ginger
1.0 Blue Tongue Skink Indigo (Indy)
0.1.1 frogs Buffy the Cricket Slayer, Butrose Butrose Froggy
1.1.4 firebelly newts Wayne Newton, Isaac Newton, Fig Newton, Juice Newton, Olivia Newton John & Helmut Newton
1.1.0 cats Gus & Mena

I have had frogs that are definitely cranwelli with a ton of red and bright yellow. That doesn't mean much.
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Andy Maddox
AIM: SurfAndSkimTx04
MSN: Poloboy32486@hotmail.com
Yahoo:surfandskimtx04
Houston Herp Key
The Reptizone

If you steal in hunger, I will kick you when you try. These stand for me. Name your god and bleed the freak. I'd like to see. How you all would bleed for me.-Alice In Chains

I have always seen that fantasy frogs are sterile. I have never kept them personally, so I do not know if that is the case or not. But if fantasy frogs are sterile, the closest you could get are hets for albino.
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Andy Maddox
AIM: SurfAndSkimTx04
MSN: Poloboy32486@hotmail.com
Yahoo:surfandskimtx04
Houston Herp Key
The Reptizone

If you steal in hunger, I will kick you when you try. These stand for me. Name your god and bleed the freak. I'd like to see. How you all would bleed for me.-Alice In Chains

It would be possible but I would rather doubt it. I don't have the reference handy but apparently one of the methods of speciation within this group was through chromosomal doubling. I forget which species (is) are diploid but all of the other species are tetraploid or another multiple of the original diploid number of chromosomes (I think the Brazilian species is an octoploid).
What often keeps the different chromosomal numbers seperate is that the calls are different. In a captive situation this method of mate choice can be circumvented.

Ed

Np
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CokeOfMan

Reptiledepot is selling Albino Pacmans as Ceratophrys Ornata. I don't know if it is a misstake or something, but here is the picture: http://www.reptiledepot.com/pics/apac.jpg
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CokeOfMan