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Only about 42 of these neat boas, mainly neos, were directly imported to the US in the 90s. We grabbed 6 of them and have been producing them yearly since 2000, by our efforts alone the population of these in culture has now more than doubled. I have not met anyone else who made that kind of commitment with these rather odd and unstylish boas and is producing them with any regularity.

We all need to consider that over the years many times that number of boas from other insular locales and populations, even some sub-species, have been imported. Where are they now? Many of those unique boas, Crawl Cay boas for instance, are virtually unavailable and/or their genetics are suspect. Other populations, like the Hog Is. boas are in imminent danger of fading away in the race to produce new and unusual looking 'Hoggs'.

I know that people who work over a period of years to produce new morphs or phases have a real feeling of accomplishment when they see results and are very proud to have others share in their appreciation of the animals. I and my friends in the locallity camp also experience these deep feelings when we help to preserve locality animals at least into the next decade or so. Understanding that we all share this excitement and pride is the main reason I will no longer participate in the Morph vs Locality flame wars and other similar profitless arguments. This understanding of shared sentiment is also why I really expect we can all work together to achieve a few things in this hobby. Such as (in no particular order):

- Living and working with the concept that it is the animals that are most important. Everything else is secondary.
- We should root out fraud and mistreatment of animals in all facets of our hobby.
- Try to have fun! Of course unless you are seriously whacked a big part of having fun is going to involve repecting and getting along with other people and not working against their goals.

My personal goal is to see that the Isla de Maize boas and other localities are firmly established in captive colonies with the varied genetics needed to carry them into the future as far into the future as any one person or persons want to take them.

I don't see the Morph community as a direct threat to my goals, yet without their cooperation in things like limiting intergrading and honesty in marketing intergrades it will be much harder for me to see my work continue and something important will ultimately be lost for everyone. Similarly, the strident objections of locality enthusasts to the work of even honest Morph breeders degrades that work and robs those individuals of some of their hard-earned sense of accomplishment.

With all of that rambling over I guess i'm down to one simple statement.. everything will work out better for all of us if we understand and respect other people who have the welfare of their animals foremost in mind. And we work to marginalise the people who don't.

Enjoy the photo!

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Gus
A. Rentfro
RioBravoReptiles.com

"Quality is not an accident. Perfectly healthy animals are a minimum requirement.. everything else is just salesmanship" gus

They look outstanding! Don't forget to post more pics after they shed.
- Eric

Personally, I wish I could find some B.C.n (clouded boas)
even tho they may be 'ugly' by many standards, they are just
as important to try to preserve as any other. Keep up the
good work Gus, that was a good post.
-april
who likes both morphs and locality

>>Only about 42 of these neat boas, mainly neos, were directly imported to the US in the 90s. We grabbed 6 of them and have been producing them yearly since 2000, by our efforts alone the population of these in culture has now more than doubled. I have not met anyone else who made that kind of commitment with these rather odd and unstylish boas and is producing them with any regularity.
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>>We all need to consider that over the years many times that number of boas from other insular locales and populations, even some sub-species, have been imported. Where are they now? Many of those unique boas, Crawl Cay boas for instance, are virtually unavailable and/or their genetics are suspect. Other populations, like the Hog Is. boas are in imminent danger of fading away in the race to produce new and unusual looking 'Hoggs'.
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>>I know that people who work over a period of years to produce new morphs or phases have a real feeling of accomplishment when they see results and are very proud to have others share in their appreciation of the animals. I and my friends in the locallity camp also experience these deep feelings when we help to preserve locality animals at least into the next decade or so. Understanding that we all share this excitement and pride is the main reason I will no longer participate in the Morph vs Locality flame wars and other similar profitless arguments. This understanding of shared sentiment is also why I really expect we can all work together to achieve a few things in this hobby. Such as (in no particular order):
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>>- Living and working with the concept that it is the animals that are most important. Everything else is secondary.
>>- We should root out fraud and mistreatment of animals in all facets of our hobby.
>>- Try to have fun! Of course unless you are seriously whacked a big part of having fun is going to involve repecting and getting along with other people and not working against their goals.
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>>My personal goal is to see that the Isla de Maize boas and other localities are firmly established in captive colonies with the varied genetics needed to carry them into the future as far into the future as any one person or persons want to take them.
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>>I don't see the Morph community as a direct threat to my goals, yet without their cooperation in things like limiting intergrading and honesty in marketing intergrades it will be much harder for me to see my work continue and something important will ultimately be lost for everyone. Similarly, the strident objections of locality enthusasts to the work of even honest Morph breeders degrades that work and robs those individuals of some of their hard-earned sense of accomplishment.
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>>With all of that rambling over I guess i'm down to one simple statement.. everything will work out better for all of us if we understand and respect other people who have the welfare of their animals foremost in mind. And we work to marginalise the people who don't.
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>> Enjoy the photo!
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>>Gus
>>A. Rentfro
>>RioBravoReptiles.com
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>>"Quality is not an accident. Perfectly healthy animals are a minimum requirement.. everything else is just salesmanship" gus
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"If woody would of went to the police, none of this would have ever happened!"

Awomse babies, I'm very jelous.

true post. I think the key word is respect. Unfortunately some people in this hobby seem to have very little at times. I could care less what kind of boa it is! What is important is that we all share a common interest that seperates us from the norm. We are only about 3 to 5 percent of the overall population. If we don't stick together our numbers are even smaller. Snakes are one of the most misunderstood creatures on this planet. Humans are right up there too. I would like to take this time to publicly apologize to my customers, friends, and CE for my childish behavior here on the boa forum last week. Life is too short to act this way towards one another.

It's very exciting to me to see these pics of Corn Isl. (and any other insular form) boas being bred. Kudos to you Gus, as well as an outstanding statement about the respect we all should have for one another, no matter whether we prefer morphs or locale. The animals don't care what they are (only humans do) and whether the animal is common as dirt, a mutt, or rare beyond belief, what's most important is that is is nurtured and cared for by the best means we have available.

Thanks,

Steve
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Nature - the original Master Planned Community!

nor could i agree more... those corns looks awsome...

sean

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Continued success!

hybrid/cross to anyone. Great litter by the way, congrats!

Oz
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Well written Gus, hope you can work with other exotic localities sometime in the future

Also, Hermann should print out your post and stick it on his forehead!!!

Great post Gus! and,also Patrick's last line was exactly what I thought when I read it!*lol*...As a former devout "purist",I now love so many different varieties,both natural,and,cultivated,that I can no longer subscribe strictly to one "camp" or,the other,and,refuse to limit myself to having to "choose"!...I now consider myself a full blown "boaholic",and,if a cure is ever found,I'll be just as steadfast in my refusal to take it!!! Our enemies are those that wish to impose their beliefs on us by beating us over the head with theirs!

who puts live rats in the freezer because he has not the guts to kill them in a human way.

So please shut up in the future until you have achieved the skills and the guts to proper care for your animals.

In my opinion you are the last person here who has the right to give instructions from such a self-satisfied level.
Boa constrictor

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Beware of Commies and Mutts!

WHAT?

>>who puts live rats in the freezer because he has not the guts to kill them in a human way.
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>>So please shut up in the future until you have achieved the skills and the guts to proper care for your animals.
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>>In my opinion you are the last person here who has the right to give instructions from such a self-satisfied level.
>>Boa constrictor
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>>Beware of Commies and Mutts!

Your comment is a result of somebody who is weak and unsecure. Don't hassitat to reply to this messages because I won't fall into your personal provocations. Grow up, you are already in your mid to end 40's.

Ahh, and please, delete all pictures, my name and the littel story about me you have on your website, I don't want them to be there anymore. BTW, all pics are mine, even the ones you labeled coming from Gus, they are all mine, DELETE THEM!!!!

and I have no problem to delete the photos.

Though I will consider to publish a hint how it comes that the photos are vanished now.

Something likes this:
We outed Patrick Faulhaber as a person who puts living rats in the freezer in order to kill them and afterwards he demanded to delete all of his photos on what we gladly agreed.

In my opinion a person like you, who puts living rats in the freezer is a shame for the boa community.

Let me tell you that it costed me all my self-control to maintain the hospitability and not kick you out of my home when you told me this.
Boa constrictor

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Beware of Commies and Mutts!

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Boa constrictor

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Beware of Commies and Mutts!