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I geuss i should ask this...what would you all recommend?

dmlove Jun 03, 2004 09:10 PM

I love the look of Savs, the old, dragon type look. But is there any monitor that is an easier "beginner" monitor but is large? I have seen ackies, i dont really want one, nor a timor. Anything else? I dont know if i am prepared for a Sav, what do you all think about blackthroats? are they a somewhat easier lizard for a beginner or easier to "tame"? I understand that all monitors are going to be "wild" in a sense, but yeah. Thanks for the input!
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Replies (12)

monitorman315 Jun 03, 2004 09:22 PM

Im confused lol... Now you stated that you werent ready for a sav but asked if a blackthrtoat would be better? Ok ,short answer NO! Blackthroats grow to be between 5 and 7 feet and will eat you out of a house and home and require tripple the space. You make the call.
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Jaye- " When you try of all your forces to make your own way, you will help some of others and will be helped by others. As long as you do not make your own way, you cannot help anybody, and nobody can help you. " (Shunryu Suzuki)

dmlove Jun 03, 2004 11:33 PM

Sorry for the confusion...i was just wondering because in a below post where they asked the best monitor for a beginner would be a blackthroat (i think someone said that) i have no problem with expenses i was just wondering which one is better. Thank you very much for the input! I am going to see if a sav will be good with me. I will begin to build a nice cage, then see whats out there. Thanks again, very helpful!
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David - KDRKreatures

2.3 Bearded dragons (Rocco,Chong,Artemis,Cheech,Anna Nicole)
2.2 Eastern Box Turtles (Snappy, Mercuria, Gizmo, Galapago)
1.0 Ball Python (Carson)
0.0.8 Red Eared Sliders

0.1 Timneh African Grey (Roxy)

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fbm88 Jun 08, 2004 07:48 PM

As monitors go,def. go with a sav,overall they are big,well tempered and aernt the hardest monitor to care for,like monitorman stated there a big differance between something that gets 3 feet and something that has potential to be 7...easy call

nejoum Jun 03, 2004 09:34 PM

I have a Sav and have never had any problem with him...other that the first few weeks were he was getting used to me!
He loves to spend time out inthe yard. Replanting my flowers!
LOL!
Diana

monitor09 Jun 03, 2004 10:08 PM

HAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!! lmao

good one Diana

ral Jun 03, 2004 10:19 PM

Hahaha, does he enjoy listening to Pink Floyd too?

nejoum Jun 03, 2004 10:42 PM

No Pink Floyd...Hes more of a soft rock fan!!
Now if I could presuade him to dig the holes "before" I plant the flower!
One time he took a dip in one of my Water Lily tubs!!!
He loved it!
But My water Lily was a bit worse the wear!
Diana

TK2 Jun 04, 2004 09:35 AM

Try looking into Varanus Flavirufus - milder temperments, mid sized 3', active, fun monitors.

>>I love the look of Savs, the old, dragon type look. But is there any monitor that is an easier "beginner" monitor but is large? I have seen ackies, i dont really want one, nor a timor. Anything else? I dont know if i am prepared for a Sav, what do you all think about blackthroats? are they a somewhat easier lizard for a beginner or easier to "tame"? I understand that all monitors are going to be "wild" in a sense, but yeah. Thanks for the input!

lwcamp Jun 04, 2004 05:18 PM

While a member of the Pacific Northwest Herpetological Society, I had the opportunity to see the fates of many savanna monitors that we picked up as rescue animals and also those that various members kept as pets. I've also had a few myself. My impression from all of this is that savannas usually (not always) get quite docile, have a hearty apetite, seem perfectly healthy, and then die of heart, liver, or kidney failure at 3 to 4 years of age. This is quite young, and it shows that most people cannot keep them properly. Why? What are they missing out on? I can't tell you, since I do not know myself. For wahever reason, though, savannas do not seem to lead a healthy life under normal captive conditions.

Other monitors would often fare better, depending on the species (some types are hardy, others tend to keel over for no easily explained reason). You say you like the looks of savannas, look into blackthroats and whitethroats. These are supposed to be hardy animals and they have a similar appearance to the savannas. Ornate monitors are somthing else you could look into, they have that same massive head and stout body that the savannas have, although they have longer tails. Ornates are not always as docile as savannas, though.

In another post, you asked about cages and cage size. I build my monitor cages using an 8 foot cattle watering trough as the base. This is filled with soil that can hold a burrow. A 8ft x 4 ft peice of plywood is put on top of this with a hole cut out to allow access to the dirt. This serves as the base for a plywood and 2x4 box that gives the monitors the opportunity to cruise around above the dirt. I have pictures at
http://www.pizards.com/hbd/tricks.html
These are for argus monitors, but the same cages could probably serve for most other mid-sized monitors (including savannas, blackthroats, whitethroats, and ornates). It takes me about a weekend and $500 to build one of these.

Best of luck,

Luke

SHvar Jun 06, 2004 03:03 AM

A problem with the way they are marketed, cheaply priced and mass imported as well niles. They are $5-$30 on average and can be bought for less if you look close enough. They recieve care thats on par to their price as they are impulse bought by thousands of kids, and adults as a disposable pet (inexpensive so easy to replace when they die). If they were only available from someone who breeds them alot more would survive because they would sell for $300 each. They die from kidney failure from dehydration, and liver failure from being severely obese then sudden fasting, therefore mobilizing fat reserves when not healthy and the liver becomes fat laden. The problem is too many reptiles in general recieve this treatment. I know several people who do legitimate rescues from wild raptors to disposable pets, thats a common calling card among bosc monitors, almost every one they see, or most.

SHvar Jun 06, 2004 03:12 AM

Bosc are medium sized monitors (smallest African species), niles (common or ornate are a large species), albigs are a large species (heaviest African species, second longest). Argus can be called medium-to-large species. Heres my medium (LOL) sized female albig (shes 2/3rds banded WT, the smaller member of the albig family), she was 6ft 1 inch a few months ago, shes now 2.5 years old.

SHvar Jun 06, 2004 03:12 AM

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