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AAH HELP!!!!! ASAP

dmlove Jun 18, 2003 04:32 PM

ok my friend...he bought this baby ball in MARCH...i repeat...in march!! i thought he knew how to take care of it. DEAR LORD.no offense to him, but,....wow. i asked him a bunch of questions the other day. Here is what he said.:

He used to have a regular light bulb on 24/7. i made him change that a little while ago. And i gave him a night red bulb and a day bulb. I told him to turn on the night bulb at night anbd the day bulb in the daytime. Simple. Well it turns out, he was either leaving the day bulb on, ALLL the time, or the night bulb on ALL they time, changing it sporadically. That is stressfull enough. THEN i asked him how often he fed it. He said he hasnt fed it since he got it. AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH. He says that it needs to get used to the timers (i got him timers for both lights) and he said he needs to get used to the regular timing, so he will wait a WEEK to feed it. OMG. how long can these things live w/out food?! it drinks. can he feed it an adult mouse? The snake is kind of small, so idk. Can it down an adult mouse even though his head isnt that big? (it is about 12-14 inches total. ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED!!!!!
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~David - KDRKreatures
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1.2 Bearded dragons (Ralph, Artemis, Cheech)
1.0 Veiled Chameleon (Chiquito)
1.0 Ringneck Snake (Striker)
1.1 Eastern Box Turtles (Athena and Mercury)

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Replies (9)

jmartin104 Jun 18, 2003 04:56 PM

Where to start?! I'd feed it a hopper mouse not an adult. And set up a proper environment.
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Jay A. Martin

dmlove Jun 18, 2003 05:21 PM

about them, maybe i can try and take it from him. i just cant stand when things arent getting the right care, i dont really know what they need or anything....aah sorry guys...
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~David - KDRKreatures
My Main Herps-
1.2 Bearded dragons (Ralph, Artemis, Cheech)
1.0 Veiled Chameleon (Chiquito)
1.0 Ringneck Snake (Striker)
1.1 Eastern Box Turtles (Athena and Mercury)

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mykee Jun 18, 2003 05:11 PM

Well, it seems that you have as little knowledge as your friend. First of all, BP's do not need red lights, or light bulbs on a timer. They need the light that the room has to offer, no more, no less. If you are using the light as heat, DON'T! Go out and get either heat tape, or a UTH. DO NOT exceed 92 degrees as belly warmth. 12 hours on, 12 hours off (or at 76-80). Next, Yes, right out of the egg, a BP can easily eat an adult mouse. Try to get the snake on rats, and try f/k or f/t. A fuzzy rat (30g-ish) would be better. Lastly, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY; buy a book on the captive husbandry of BP's and READ IT.

dmlove Jun 18, 2003 05:17 PM

yeah man...its not my snake...i was just trying to help it there is nothing i can do to make the decisions for him, im sorry if i ruined your day.
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~David - KDRKreatures
My Main Herps-
1.2 Bearded dragons (Ralph, Artemis, Cheech)
1.0 Veiled Chameleon (Chiquito)
1.0 Ringneck Snake (Striker)
1.1 Eastern Box Turtles (Athena and Mercury)

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Sonya Jun 18, 2003 07:54 PM

Why you would jump a baby to adult mice is beyond me but everything I read, and trusted, including Barkers Manual says try hatchlings on fuzzy mice. Feeding that small a baby an adult would be a lot of unnecessary stress on it. IMO.
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Sonya

sparke303 Jun 18, 2003 11:27 PM

First off, IT ISN'T YOUR GOSH DARNED SNAKE! Back the heck off, for Crimmeny's sake.

Second of all, HOW DARE YOU DECIDE WHAT IS BEST FOR A SNAKE THAT YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT! Do some research.

Finally, you are right about the food thing...tell him to go back to a 40-watt incandescent (IF the temps on the hot side of his tank are below 90-95 degrees during the day) for the next week. Then, go have him get a live or frozen (but be sure to thoroughly thaw the poor thing) fuzzy or VERY SMALL hopper and offer it to the snake.

Snakes are easy to keep. Don't over-do it.

JDP Jun 19, 2003 11:09 AM

"First off, IT ISN'T YOUR GOSH DARNED SNAKE! Back the heck off, for Crimmeny's sake."

So you think it is ok to witness someone NOT raising their animals correctly and not do something, offer advice or seek assistance?

"Second of all, HOW DARE YOU DECIDE WHAT IS BEST FOR A SNAKE THAT YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT! Do some research."

Is it your snake he is talking about or something? He knows enough about snakes to know that you dont starve it for months for no reason and that the guy isnt raising it correctly. What more does he need to know? He came here for help on fixing the problem. Why are you getting so worked up?

"Finally, you are right about the food thing...tell him to go back to a 40-watt incandescent (IF the temps on the hot side of his tank are below 90-95 degrees during the day) for the next week."

95 is very high. High temp should be 90 or less especially in a small enclosure where heat does not dissipate throughout the enclosure very well.

"Then, go have him get a live or frozen (but be sure to thoroughly thaw the poor thing) fuzzy or VERY SMALL hopper and offer it to the snake."

Poor thing? Whats that supposed to mean?
And maybe next time you can actually offer help on HOW to offer it to the snake.

"Snakes are easy to keep. Don't over-do it."

Hmm, there are ALOT of people who would disagree with this statement. Snakes are not labor intensive (unless you have a large one like a burm or retic) but they are certainly not easy to keep. When you get that attitude, you get complacent and bad things happen.

What a tool.

sparke303 Jun 19, 2003 02:15 PM

*So you think it is ok to witness someone NOT raising their animals correctly and not do something, offer advice or seek assistance? *

First thing I would have done is researched the husbandry requirements of the animal before deciding someone wasn't meeting those requirements. At this point, the guy was one step short of convincing his friend to sprinkle calcium powder on mice. I would want to be sure that the individual REALLY ISN'T raising the animal correctly before flying off the handle. Then, I'd research the animal before offering advice on how to care for it. It's all academic at this point. It's funny, I would expect to see your apology at the next post above, but it isn't there. But you wouldn't want to admit you might be wrong, would you?

*Is it your snake he is talking about or something? He knows enough about snakes to know that you dont starve it for months for no reason and that the guy isnt raising it correctly. What more does he need to know? He came here for help on fixing the problem. Why are you getting so worked up? *

First off, since you know so much, you will of course know that BP's can go a LONG time without eating. Never mind that my next paragraph said (and I quote) "you are right about the food thing..." It's nothing to panic about, though. And this post was more a rant about what his friend was doing wrong, rather than about how to do better. His next post was much more pro-active, which I appreciated.

*95 is very high. High temp should be 90 or less especially in a small enclosure where heat does not dissipate throughout the enclosure very well.*

I've found 90-95 to work very well. You are free to disagree, but don't act like such a know-it-all. Keeping animals is not an exact science. Temperature won't need to be at any EXACT point until the temperatures in West Africa stabilize to EXACTLY 90 degrees during the day for several generations of animals. Since the animal is in a 20-gallon long, the lower end of the range (90) is probably more appropriate. However, if you don't think heat can dissipate through a screen top, you've got some nerve calling ANYONE else an idiot. Get over yourself.

*Poor thing? Whats that supposed to mean? *

Don't worry about it. You are so ready to get offended here, just looking for a fight! Once again, get over yourself.

*And maybe next time you can actually offer help on HOW to offer it to the snake. *

The methods of offering food to a snake vary so greatly that it would have been a waste of time to go through it. And after three months of not eating, I'd expect a baby snake to go right for the food no matter what method is used. Since enticement doesn't seem necessary, what else should I have said?

**"Snakes are easy to keep. Don't over-do it." **

*Hmm, there are ALOT of people who would disagree with this statement. Snakes are not labor intensive (unless you have a large one like a burm or retic) but they are certainly not easy to keep. When you get that attitude, you get complacent and bad things happen. *

You can disagree with me all you want. I'll bet you feel like you were "chosen" to receive the gift of being able to care for bp's. Sorry to pop your bubble, but they're easy! I've had burms and retics and rock pythons before, and I thought they were rather easy to care for as well (aside from one 10-foot retic injection debacle). Maybe YOU get complacent if something's easy, that is YOUR issue. I'm an accountant, and the easier something gets the more I'm able to carefully manage it. You don't know me, so don't pretend that I'm ANYTHING like you. Once again, GET OVER YOURSELF!

*What a tool.*

If you even knew how little you knew, at least you'd know something!

ProtaZoey Jun 19, 2003 09:43 PM

Sorry that some who responded felt this thread to be a "rant" fest. I don't believe that anyone was TRYING to be a self proclaimed "expert" on anything, so that does NOT warrent "tool" and "idiot" on anyone's part. Let's all act our age here, please. If wanting to bash someone's lack of knowledge, do it OFF the forum.

As for offering assistance, those who responded (even if they were getting back at someone else) posed valid points on this issue.

Hopper mice or small fuzzies would be best for a ball of his size. There is no need for a night bulb, only a UTH or CHE or heat tape, as afore mentioned. Definately STRONGLY suggest some reasearch for both of you here as well, there are several good books out on balls (Ball Python Manual is one).

If you feel the need to abscond with the snake, do make sure it is in the snake's best interest, so make sure he indeed does not know how to take care of it.

Just my buck and half....
Zoe
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