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This could start a debate......

md42007 Jun 06, 2004 04:10 PM

I would like some opinions or experience tales on a idea i wish to complete. I am hoping to construct a double snake terrarium... The first snake i have is a ball python... Here is the question... What will live peacefully with him.... I want a boid and something that will reach a very close size to the Ball python. I have my eyes on a hog island.. but will that outgrow a ball python ? does anyone know a true maximum size on a hog island?
Thanks
D

1 Ball python
1 Cali King
1 Alb Corn
1 Western Hog
2 Persians
1 Tabby

Replies (5)

JaredAren Jun 06, 2004 04:33 PM

We have an adult female Sear's line hogg that is close to 7 feet, so it will definately outgrow a ball python. Have you considered another type of python such as a borneo blood or an irian jaya carpet python. It is best to cage animals seperately, but if you are set on doing it stick with animals that are more closely related so the appropriate husbandry can be provided.
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Jared Douglas

Raven01 Jun 06, 2004 10:36 PM

>>I would like some opinions or experience tales on a idea i wish to complete. I am hoping to construct a double snake terrarium... The first snake i have is a ball python... Here is the question... What will live peacefully with him.... I want a boid and something that will reach a very close size to the Ball python. I have my eyes on a hog island.. but will that outgrow a ball python ? does anyone know a true maximum size on a hog island?
>>Thanks
>>D
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>>1 Ball python
>>1 Cali King
>>1 Alb Corn
>>1 Western Hog
>>2 Persians
>>1 Tabby

Raven01 Jun 06, 2004 10:43 PM

The accepted norm is to house snakes singly. If you do house two (or more) snakes together, they should be the same species. I personally keep a trio of juvenile redtail boas together as well as my recent litter of 13 redtail neonates. Other than them, no other snakes are kept together unless they are together for breeding purposes. Different species of snakes will harbor different natural bacteria - bacteria that a snake from another region is not acclimated to and which can make it ill. The responsible keeper is not going to house snakes from different climates, much less continents, together.

Raven

md42007 Jun 07, 2004 04:12 PM

I understand your retort but let me ask a question... at alot of the local pets stores by me they house different species together and they seem to do just fine... two instances come immediately to mind... one pet store sells red-tails and ball pythons and they house them together another pet store has a red-tail and a burmese (very large) and they have been housed together for years... just wondering your take on that.

Raven01 Jun 08, 2004 12:03 AM

Pet stores are not typically the group you want to emulate in your home setup. They are often more concerned with their bottom line than the health of the animals. Many pet stores that sell reptiles also hand out misinformation. After countless times of hearing, "that snake won't outgrow the tank you put it in", "yeah, you can feed a cornsnake crickets", and "that green iguana won't get that big and can be fed iceberg lettuce and cat food", I tend to discount 90% of the 'information' that they dispense. I'm fortunate in that my local pet store that specializes in reptiles is also in possesion of a knowledgable staff that genuinely cares about the animals' well being. You won't see species mixed in their tanks and you'll find accurate information from the majority of the staff. Those of the staff that don't know the answer to your question will find someone who does. That's not to say there are no stores in my area who do mix animals, there are, they just don't get my business. As to my thoughts on those stores who mix animals and give out inaccurate information, I either try to educate them to care for the animals properly or I make sure to let every herper I know that they need to be avoided at all costs if they refuse to correct the problems. We as consumers have the power to make changes if only we make a stand. All too often we just roll over and let the poor practices continue and knock it up to 'status quo'.

Fact is that different types of creatures carry natural loads of bacteria which vary between species and habitat, not to mention that when mixing animals of different sizes you run the risk of the larger animal intimidating the smaller one and causing it to decline in health. You may house different animals together and not have any problems, or you can put two together and spread disease and parasites between the two, or severly stressing one individual from forced contact with a larger animal - potentially losing one or both of them. I won't say I've never mixed species, I have - a ball python & a Colombian rainbow, both still in my collection. I was told since they had basically the same requirements and were the same size, it was fine. Luckily I never had any problems, even after years being housed together, but never-the-less I took an unnecessary risk out of ignorance. These days I've learned more about proper husbandry & quarantine practices, and strive to provide the best environment I can for my animals. After all, the hobby is supposed to be about the animals...and it's our duty as their keepers to provide the best care we are able. That includes being sure to take responsibility for the housing and proper care of every animal in our care...including the ability to provide proper housing for each. It's fine to cut some corners - racks instead of more spacious individual cages for juvenile or small animals, multicage units to save space with larger animals. But some things stay the same, quality of life is of the utmost importance - proper housing, correct husbandry, enough food & fresh water, security. For me, it's all about our responsibility and commitment to the animals we keep - whether that animal is a common ratsnake you found in the back yard or the latest $20,000 morph on the market.

Sorry for the long disertation but this isn't directed in any negative way towards you. I simply feel very strongly about our commitments to the animals we keep and feel that some corners just shouldn't be cut for our convenience or whim.

Off the soapbox now.
Raven

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