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For anyone into Pituophis, I picked up a couple of books recently and thought I'd share the titles.

Bulletins of the Zoological Society of San Diego No. 22 (Classification & Ranges of the Gopher Snakes of the Genus Pituophis in the Western United States), Klauber.

and

Variations & Relationships in the Snakes of the Genus Pituophis (Smithsonian), Stull.

Not sure if anyone has heard of these books before-I haven't seen them mentioned, so thought I'd post about them.

They are both from the 1940s, but I've been flipping through them and they seem to have lots of information on scale counts, localities, and habitat.

-cat
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Those books (and 1-2 other Pit. related booklets)I had bought last year, too. They were aviable in (my) Germany. The many details fascinate me, there is so much, what Mara and Co. don't wrote...
Details about the seldom subspecies of the west-coast ilands... ... ... a.s.o.
Some other little (tiny) fine old books about the genus Pituophis I bought from USA with abebooks.com last month.

fine sources!!!! (but not so colorful like modern works )

Bernd
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>>Those books (and 1-2 other Pit. related booklets)I had bought last year, too. They were aviable in (my) Germany. The many details fascinate me, there is so much, what Mara and Co. don't wrote...
>>Details about the seldom subspecies of the west-coast ilands... ... ... a.s.o.
>>Some other little (tiny) fine old books about the genus Pituophis I bought from USA with abebooks.com last month.
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>>fine sources!!!! (but not so colorful like modern works )
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>>Bernd
>>www.pinesnake.de

ABE is a wealth of information, waiting for those who are searching for it. I bought a bunch of Captive Breeding magazine off there too-as they were the only magazine with information on the Kunishiri Island Rat snake.

-Cat
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Your horned frog is either Ceratophrys cranwelli, or a very unlikely hyrbid of ornata and cranwelli(as I recently found out...one species is diploid and the other triploid, so it is technically possible to get offspring that are albino without producing hets first...since the hybrids are sterile). There has not been any albino gene isolated in ornata as of the present time. Just thought I would toss that out.
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>>Your horned frog is either Ceratophrys cranwelli, or a very unlikely hyrbid of ornata and cranwelli(as I recently found out...one species is diploid and the other triploid, so it is technically possible to get offspring that are albino without producing hets first...since the hybrids are sterile). There has not been any albino gene isolated in ornata as of the present time. Just thought I would toss that out.

Ah, ok. Thanks for the clarification! It was sold as a pacman frog and had that scientific name attached to it.

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Ornata used to be the more common frog earlier on in the horned frog's popularity. But now they are becoming increasingly less common. Cranwelli are the more common species now, with ornata taking a back seat. Cornuta and calcarata have really been pushed out of the trade as well. Shame too, as ornata are much prettier frogs over all. That is quite a good looking frog though. If it isn't just the lighting, then I have never seen one like that.
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Andy Maddox
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MSN: Poloboy32486@hotmail.com
Yahoo:surfandskimtx04
Houston Herp Key
The Reptizone

And the sign says "No long hair freaky people need not apply." So I put my hair under my hat and I went in to ask him why. He said you look like a fine outstanding young man I think you'll do. So I took off my hat I said "Imagine that Huh Me working for you."-Tesla

>>Ornata used to be the more common frog earlier on in the horned frog's popularity. But now they are becoming increasingly less common. Cranwelli are the more common species now, with ornata taking a back seat. Cornuta and calcarata have really been pushed out of the trade as well. Shame too, as ornata are much prettier frogs over all. That is quite a good looking frog though. If it isn't just the lighting, then I have never seen one like that.

heh, yeah.. it really is that minty green color. So odd, I couldn't pass it up! Now the store has lots of yellows and orange looking ones-but I've never seen another one that was minty green. Hopefully it keeps the color as it ages.

-cat
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