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I just put sand on my geckos warm side and my gecko is having a ball digging and running around its so funny.
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You do know most people on here are going to have a cow when they find out you're using sand, right?

Sand has had a lot of Bad impacts on leopard geckos (impaction, for example). I know that Crystal was putting vermiculite/perlite in hide boxes so the leopard geckos would have something to dig in. You might try that, instead.

~~Dusty Windom
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So Many Alleles, So Little Time...!
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Itll be fine she been on sand before this its just now i converted the whole side.
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. . . vermiculite/perilite is fine as an incubating medium - but NOT as a substrate for leos.

You're better off with the sand, in my opinion.

It's against my better judgement to post here - but I thought a friendly piece of advice would help.
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Monte Meyer
Powergeckos
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No Fru-Fru morphs in the herp room

Yea i dont think vermiculite would be good
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. . . because it looks scratchy and sharp. Ingest one of those babies and your leo might feel like he is pooping razor blades. . . .
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Monte Meyer
Powergeckos
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No Fru-Fru morphs in the herp room

It's never hurt my leos. Vermiculite/Perlite is commonly used for leos to lay eggs in, if not more often. It's been recommended to me by experienced breeders whom I trust.

It's too bad most of the experienced people have been run off from here.

~~Dusty Windom
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So Many Alleles, So Little Time...!
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~~The Gecko Barn~~

As one of those experienced breeders - i still wouldn't use that medium.

But then again - I use sand for substrate at times - so what do I know.

Back to hiding . . . .
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Monte Meyer
Powergeckos
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Pulu See Bagumba

>Back to hiding . . . .

LoL That's what I was thinking of doing
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So Many Alleles, So Little Time...!
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~~The Gecko Barn~~

from here. there are a few individuals who think they own this site and are more or less the "forum police." it is too bad people like that cannot be booted just for being a pain if nothing else.

People are allowed to speak their minds here.. On some things. But who would you be talking about?

~~Dusty Windom
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So Many Alleles, So Little Time...!
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ive always used the name calci-sand, till about 4 months ago. i found a new product by zoo med, called vita-sand. 2 months ago i got a new part time job for petsmart. i was in the back one day looking at all our sapplies, and relized sumthing i could put an end to every one bad mouthing sand. if any one wants to argue with me feel free, cause ill gladly get a pic of the package that sais it wont cause impaction. i spoke with my criminal law teacher, and he said that if there was any chance of it causing impaction, then they wouldnt put it right there, cause the chance of being suied is would be too great. so what im going to say is that im tottally for the vita sand, but not the calci sand. its pretty much the same, cept the vita is a hella lot finer, compared to the calci. so from now on im ganna ganna tell any one that sais T-REX CALCI SAND is bad, to switch to VITA-SAND. so deff go witht the vita sand, im sure shell love it just as much. if not then hey do what u want, and good luck.
nevin
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1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-sunshine&chaos
1.1.1 leopard geckos-killer, narvana, sallean,
1.1 blizzerd lizzard-grim & amber
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa-stimpy R.I.P.
0.1.0 bearded dragon-blaze
1.0.0 uromastyx-chubby
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

Sorry Nevin but I have to disagree with your law teacher. My mother is a Paralegal and due to the fact reptile products like vita-sand and calci-sand are unregulated.. they can claim anything they want to...have their own little pseudo-studies to "prove" that its true and it doesn't really have to be. ANY particulate substrate has a chance of impaction.. hell even paper and papertowels have that chance as pieces can be broken off and eaten.. however those last 2 substrates have much LESS of a chance of being consumed by a leo who licks everything. My leos, like iguanas, will lick things to take up the chemical signatures left there possibly by another animal. Its how they test for pheremones and identify each other. The tongue brings those chemicals to the jacobson organ for identification and classification. But it also brings whatever particulate substrate you're using into the mouth and from there into the digestive tract where it clings to the inner walls of the intenstines and prevents nutritive absorption and continues to build up until an impaction occurs. The claims made by these companies are not illegal because no one regulates these products. If there were regulations then it would be illegal for them to claim something that wasn't true.
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Lucien

1.1 Columbian Redtail Boa (BCI)(Sutekh and Isis)
2.1.1 Leopard geckos (2 Blizzards (Caine and Goliath), 1 Tangerine Albino (Tequila Sunrise ...Tiki for short) and 1 dbl. het blizzard x tang albino (Malice))
0.1 Savannah Monitor (Kiros)
13 rats
1 Gerbil
2 Dogs (Loki and Storm)
2 cats (Sahara and Hercules)

my teacher is a defense lawyer, for the low lifes, and people also call him an ambulance chaser which means hes out to get money. he knows all the angles of a situation like this. thats why he said they wont do it, cause if someones leo gets impaction, then there chance of being suid would be too high, like i said before. and if someone didnt sue them, well there there strait up dumn @sses for lossing all that money, and the money wouldnt even be part of it. lossing the animal would be even worse then the money. the company wont take the chance. i understand what ur saying, a company like zoo med just has too much to lose. also, just wandering, why did you tell me all that other stuff?
nevin
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1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-peace&chaos (rip sunshine)
2.1 leopard geckos-killer, narvana, sallean,
1.1 blizzerd lizzard-grim & marical
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa-stimpy R.I.P.
0.1.0 bearded dragon-blaze
1.0.0 uromastyx-chubby
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

General information for anyone else who may read that. Most people believe a leo will only ingest the stuff if they're hunting which is totally not true. They'll ingest the stuff in normal behaviors like scent marking and exploring. *shrugs* As for a defense lawyer... Corporate law and Criminal law are two very different subjects..Criminal lawyers go through a whole different kind of school to Corporate lawyers. The number of classes they have in common are few. So for one Criminal lawyer to tell you that a big company couldn't do something like that isn't right. Companies do it all the time and get away with it. Look at the health food industry with all the holistic approaches that have no scientific backing but companies make the claims all the same... You don't see them being sued because those people didn't experience the results their product claimed.. and why is because its UNREGULATED. When something is Unregulated, claims can be made that don't have to be true because there are no standardized tests that the product has to go through to prove that it does what it says. Same with Vita-sand and Calci-sand. They can claim it won't cause impactions all they want..because there's no one out there to enforce testing of it to be sure.
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Lucien

1.1 Columbian Redtail Boa (BCI)(Sutekh and Isis)
2.1.1 Leopard geckos (2 Blizzards (Caine and Goliath), 1 Tangerine Albino (Tequila Sunrise ...Tiki for short) and 1 dbl. het blizzard x tang albino (Malice))
0.1 Savannah Monitor (Kiros)
13 rats
1 Gerbil
2 Dogs (Loki and Storm)
2 cats (Sahara and Hercules)

o ok, thats why you put that other stuff. but as for my teacher, and the class, im in collage for criminal justice. its an over all major. one class is criminal law. just because my teacher is one type of lawyer, doesnt mean he cant teach the class, or any thing like that. if you look on a bag of T Rex calci sand, you wont see any thing about impaction, cept, lest risk. Zoo Med's Vita sand sais, wont cause impaction. and i uderstand what unregulated means. have you compaired vita sand to calci sand. theres a majerly huge differance there. go check it out.
nevin
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1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-peace&chaos (rip sunshine)
2.1 leopard geckos-killer, narvana, sallean,
1.1 blizzerd lizzard-grim & marical
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa-stimpy R.I.P.
0.1.0 bearded dragon-blaze
1.0.0 uromastyx-chubby
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."