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Mine chase each other around in circles sometimes...do you think they are playing with each other...or getting ready to fight. I have 2 females about 7 inches long from head to tail.

thanks.
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0.0.2 RES's (The Boondock Saints)
0.0.1 Common Snapping Turtle (Aggro)
0.0.1 Eastern Red Bellie (Jake)
0.0.1 Map Turtle (Mappy)
0.2.0 Bearded Dragon (Yeungling,Killian)

Sounds to me like they're trying to establish a pecking order (just be sure to separate them if they get too aggressive with one another). Dragons are funny with their waving, bobbing, and circling, got to luv em.

What is a pecking order?
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0.0.2 RES's (The Boondock Saints)
0.0.1 Common Snapping Turtle (Aggro)
0.0.1 Eastern Red Bellie (Jake)
0.0.1 Map Turtle (Mappy)
0.2.0 Bearded Dragon (Yeungling,Killian)

It's the hierchary or in layman's terms, whose the boss. They're trying to establish who is the dominant one and accordingly who will get the best basking spot, first shot at food, etc.

I agree, it sounds like they're establishing who is in charge. Bearide behavior is a hoot to watch, but like tazok said, make sure they don't get too agressive while "playing." Be prepared to seperate them if things get rough, to avoid injuries.

Are you 100% sure they're both females? I've never met anyone who could guarantee the sex when they are that small.
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2.0 bearded dragons (Ocho / Domo-kun)
0.1 kingsnake (Rio)
1.0 ferret (Playstation)
1.0 cat (Wally)
0.1 dog (Tima)

I know one of them is female for sure. The guy at the reptile show told me it was, and i asked my local pet shop owner who deals with beardies. He wasn't sure about the other, although he thinks its a female.
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0.0.2 RES's (The Boondock Saints)
0.0.1 Common Snapping Turtle (Aggro)
0.0.1 Eastern Red Bellie (Jake)
0.0.1 Map Turtle (Mappy)
0.2.0 Bearded Dragon (Yeungling,Killian)

Personally I'd be a little suspicious of anyone who guarantees the sex of a beardie that young without popping it (which is not recommended.)

If by chance one or both turn out to be male, you know you'll have to seperate them before they're sexually mature, right?

Just making sure you know what to be prepared for if you aren't sure they're both females. I hope your breeder or pet store guy didn't advise you that beardies do better when kept in pairs. Any combination other than female/female and you're playing with fire keeping them together, risking injuries and/or underage breeding (and if they're siblings, inbreeding.) Even females can get a bit to agressive with each other sometimes and have to be seperated.

Just keep an eye on your babies.
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2.0 bearded dragons (Ocho / Domo-kun)
0.1 kingsnake (Rio)
1.0 ferret (Playstation)
1.0 cat (Wally)
0.1 dog (Tima)

I cant beleive some of the statments people say on here. "be a little suspicious of anyone who guarantees the sex of a beardie that young without popping it (which is not recommended.)" I am the guy who sold turtlequest his baby. I did not use the word "guarantee" with him as he didnt either in his statment. I did tell him I was 99% sure. Theres always that 1%. Just so you know, I can usually(not always) Sex them almost rite out of the egg. In my years of experience, I have been rite most of the time. Not all of the time. And thats with babies out of the egg. So babies that are 12 weeks old are no problem ant all! Im not picking on you or anything, Im just saying that there are always people out there that know a little more. His was a female for sure. If it turns out to be a male. I will refund his $ or give him another. Being that I gave him a dragon I was selling for $75 for $30, i dont think he'll mind. Turtlequest is a good guy, thats why I gave him that deal. I hope he posts another pic after shes out of shed.
Mike Nagy
None Fatter Herps
www.nonefatterherps.com
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No offense taken. I respect that you stand by your word and would refund or replace it if you are wrong. So many people won't do that!

I only said "be a little suspicious," but I didn't say "holy crap that breeder is wrong don't trust them!" so don't be offended by that. I'm sure you will agree there are a lot of untrustworthy people out there who will just tell someone what they want to hear to get them to buy a lizard. It doesn't hurt to be cautious.

I did not think it was possible to accurately sex a baby that young without popping it. I'm curious how you do it. I got a baby from Kevin Dunne (who I consider one of the best out there) and even he wouldn't tell me what sex it was, and said trying to tell before they are a few months old is futile. I take his word for it. I'm not saying it's impossible, I guess it's just rare if even one of the most experienced breeders wont venture to guess. I guess I'm just too used to running into people who were guaranteed that their babies were females, but one turned out to be male and now they are breeding and the person has no idea what to do, it just makes me sick that there are irrisponsible breeders like that. If they don't know they should just say they don't know.

I'm curious though, were you the one who sold turtlequest the baby at the show, or the second one he got? He said the second one told him they weren't sure it was a female, so I assume you sold the first one that definately is. If that's the case, wouldn't you agree that someone who may not be prepared to breed should be a little cautious of keeping it with the one that by chance could be male? I just think that a lot of people don't know what they are in for when they house two beardies together, in case one turns out to be male, and next thing you know they are responsible for dozens of little eggs. I try to warn them so they can be prepared.
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Amanda
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2.0 bearded dragons (Ocho / Domo-kun)
0.1 kingsnake (Rio)
1.0 ferret (Playstation)
1.0 cat (Wally)
0.1 dog (Tima)

Thanx for your heart felt response. I mean it. I sold turtlequest the second one he had( the pic he posted). I think what you are referring to is that I told him she looked like a female and i think he said he took his other to a pet store an the guy said he wasn’t sure if it was a female but looked like it. Mine is the one he has thats not sick(thank god)!. Like I said, I can get a very good guess out of the egg. Id say 90% most of the time. I never give a guarantee on sex unless their like 3 months old. Yea I always ask people what their intentions are with the dragons. There are some breeders out there that just sell to sell. I do it cus I love these animals more than alot of things and by me selling them to people, I hope they end up loving it as much. Thats my deal. I did make a enemy today but I guess I also maid a friend. HA. Keep in touch. Im sure we can find some more stuff to argue.. I mean talk about.

Later,
Mike Nagy
None Fatter Herps
www.nonefatterherps.com
610 517 3406, call anytime!!

LOL! There is always stuff to argue about around here. One thing everyone on this forum has in common is that we love these animals, and yet so many people are at each other's throats when it comes to how things should be done.

Like I said earlier today, it's so easy to misinterpret people's intentions when all you see are words on a screen. I'm glad we got it all talked out so there is no confusion. People are sensitive when their husbandry is called into question, and I can't blame them, I am too. I try really hard to remain calm and rational, and not to insult anyone, but sometimes it's not easy to get across what you want to say without someone taking it wrong or getting upset.

I think the most important thing here is for people to be able to share their experiences and learn together, rather than argue over who is right and who is wrong. If we could all come together as a group we could learn so much from each other! It's unfortunate that more often than not, people just argue.

So again, I'm glad you and I talked it out, and instead of making enemies we can learn from each other! THAT is what this place SHOULD be all about!
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Amanda
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2.0 bearded dragons (Ocho / Domo-kun)
0.1 kingsnake (Rio)
1.0 ferret (Playstation)
1.0 cat (Wally)
0.1 dog (Tima)