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So Bob.......

LOL...

Lucky bastard.................I want one!!!!!!!!!!!!
(had to do a little research to find out about this one

Pythons.Ralphy is the man. Now who is this Bob character?

really...

you didn't do the math.......

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Kev has been getting morphs longer and more often..

what about Bell and Barczyck.......?..they put out what? 30,000 snakes a year?????..

Barker gets more python and boa species overall????

....and this BOB guy..has to be putting out alot on his own...

then a guy named IAN G....wanna guess how many balls he has???????...more than all the ohter "big kids" put together..?...YEPPERS........

so...I forgot a ton of people.......and trust me....if all Y'all knew how many people are out there selling this stuff for alot less than a "name " on it.......you'd buy with a brain.not your impulses........

have fun.........

ME.........The one and only.......JY

etc etc etc

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people.........people are stupid.........
really......really.........

Bob must intimidate this person. What the hell did Bob have to do with this thread anyways?

Going to Maryland show Sat?

Later

Most of mine have come from his stock.

Shhhh.......Quiet........

Yup!

good prices too.
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RicK @ BbI

Ball Boutique,Inc.
The home of the singing snakes!

So who is this mysterious Ian G. Anyone want to let this cat out of the bag or shall it remain a hidden secret. LOL
Thanks

EP
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Occupants not paying rent:
16 eggs incubating
7 balls
2.2 corns(candy cane, creamsicle, ghost, normal)
1 pueblan milk
1 everglades rat
1 cal. king
1 gray band king
1 w. hognose
1 bearded dragon
2 fish
1 rat
1 mouse
5 cats

He is the best Businessman in ball python breeding.

Ralph does three things exceptionally well that separate him from other breeders in my opinion:

1) He is a good communicator. The guy flat out loves to talk...he talks to people...talks to people...and then talks some more. Whether you e-mail or call him he responds...and quickly! He follows through when he says he will get back to you. He is a people guy. The guy can type like no other. You can live in England and feel like you know Ralph because of how he journals and communicates on his site. Folks this build relationships......which results in trust....and then money.

2) He knows how to market a product. Ralph is exceptional at this. He knows how to create interest. He knows how to engage people in to the product he is delivering. He is totally at another level with his website than any of his competitors. His site is literally different everyday....it's a stinkin soap opera....you can't help but get sucked in. I go to many....many....many sites on a daily basis. Most of the top breeder sites just don't CHANGE! No animals...Little info...and no exciting project info...nothing to suck me in. So I may not return to there site until a month later....some I stop going to all together. Ralph takes you into the detail of what is happening with his animals (the product). He posts every clutch....every mom...every egg...every dad...when he happy....when he pissed. All this creates interest in his animals. You get engaged in the platty hype. It's marketing....marketing....marketing. Ralph also has a strong understanding of the market....what it will yield....supply and demand......etc.

3) Ralph is a forward thinker willing to take risks. I believe he understands he is 1-2 years from being out of the driver seat. In other words....he can only ride Platty Daddy so far....and then the well will eventually dry up. Therefore, he continues to take large dollar risks on an annual basis in the attempt to land the next platty. The temptation when you hit big on a morph is to ride it to your own eventual death. Not Ralph.......last year was the patternless.....recently the bubblegum.....and on and on. He is obviously a strategic thinker that looks forward and risks.

Ralph may not be pumping out the most clutches....he may not be proving out the most new designer snakes....he may not be pulling in the largest total sales. But the guy flat out knows business....understands people....and finds ways to create interest.

Frankly, I'm more impressed with Ralph's business approaches and methods then his ability to kick an all white snake.

PS........Don't feel bad.....my website is pretty boring too
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Jim Perron
Python Passion Reptiles
pythonpassion@hotmail.com
www.pythonpassionreptiles.com

But 95 clutches is nothing to sneeeze at! Anyone can breed 400 corns. Whoo-pee. But to get close to 500 Ball Python eggs? That's just insane. Especially when 95% of them are NOT normals.

Ralph and Kev are KINGS. No question.
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Anyone with a large sum of money can do same. BTW how many people produce that many corns? You forgot many other breeders too...Ian, Tracy & Dave, SK, MKR and others.
Ralphie is the only one who posts his clutches. So the public knows what he is doing.
To me eggs are good no matter from what animal.
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RicK @ BbI

Ball Boutique,Inc.
The home of the singing snakes!

But to me, there are degrees of easieness to get eggs. If someone got 200 boeleni eggs one season and another guy got 20,000 corn or beardie or leo gecko eggs, I would say the boeleni breeder had a more accomplished year. Just my opinion, you don't have to agree.

And I'd rather someone have an ongoing record of new clutches complete with pics and stuff like Ralph does, rather than the same site since 1999 with the same pictures and crap. For sure. Ralhp's site is top notch.

"Takes money to make money". "Always hire people smarter than you". Basic rules of business, and it does not hurt to be a people person either... John
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0.1 Albino
1.0 Pastel
1.0 Orange Ghost
1.0 (F1)Banded Ball
1.1 100% Het Piebald
1.1 100% Het Butterscotch Ghost
1.1 100% Het Yellow Ghost
2.19 Normal Balls

yep.....and more...........

just wanted the kissy butt to stop......

the smell is deafening..........LOL
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people.........people are stupid.........
really......really.........

Oh yeah!

People do suck,
Chad

seriously, get a life.......the man puts 2 snakes in a box, collects the eggs, and incubates them, (just like the rest of us) and this makes him Jesus?!

Thanks for clueing me in to check for the clutch 4 results for about the 10th time this week! Nice of Mr. Davis to share this along with all the rest of his breeding results.

There are many different ways that both platy daddy X lesser platy AND lesser platy X phantom could both produce blue eyed leucistic.

The idea that in addition to all the visible co-dominant stuff going on in these two lines that there is also a recessive leucistic gene in both is of course possible.

However, my money is still on phantom and platy pattern being at least alleles (different mutations of the same gene) if not the exact same mutation and blue-eyed leucistic being their super.

This still leaves the nagging question of why the platy line is more faded, particularly platy daddy. Given the two levels of fadedness in the platy line (lesser and daddy) I'm thinking there may be a 2nd co-dominant gene that causes the hypo appearance. However, given that Ralph produced platy daddy (the super hypo platy type) from lesser platy X normal sibling I'm thinking there is an odd twist that this hypo gene is co-dominant in conjunction with the platy pattern gene but perhaps never visible without it (or another allele of the platy pattern gene).

Should be an interesting next few year with lots of questions to answer.

Are platy and phantom the exact same mutation, alleles (DIFFERENT mutations of the same gene), or unrelated mutations? If the blue-eyed leucistics produced in 2003 from lesser platy X phantom don't produce any normals then I would say that rules out them being unrelated mutations of different genes. If those 2003 blue-eyed leucistics bred to normals produce only distinct phantoms and patties then they are probably alleles (all though there could still be another gene influencing pattern separate from the platy and phantom genes).

Are any copies of the hidden co-dominant hypo gene needed to make a blue-eyed leucistic? If not, then two phantoms could make a blue-eyed leucistic. This raises the question as to if two mojaves or two butters could also do it since they all look a little alike (perhaps platy, phantom, mojave, and butter are all alleles of the same gene and any combination would produce leucistics). However, since they black-eyed leucistic seems to be co-dominant with a hypo looking het maybe the hypo feeds in somehow and you can’t make a leucistic without it.

Is the hidden co-dominant hypo gene linked in any way to the platy pattern gene? I would tend to say not since lesser platy X normal sib produced platy daddy. I think this means that the normal sib had one copy of the hidden co-dominant hypo gene but since she didn't also have the platys pattern gene it was hidden but it enabled the homozygous hidden co-dominant hypo gene babies that also happened to get the platy gene creating a platy daddy. If there is no linking, then we should see some hidden co-dominant hypo gene phantoms (the "cross"?) as well as some platys that aren't even lesser (i.e. pattern only but not hypo, might look a lot like a phantom or a mojave).

Not to down play how special (and striking) these snakes are but I think we are going to see a lot more leucistics. Sure there is some slight uncertainty but I would be very surprised if Bob Clark/Mike Wilbank’s Fireball’s where not the hets for Eric Daves’ black-eyed leucistic. There is a lot more uncertainty but I also wouldn’t be surprised if leucistics of some type come out of Mojave and/or butter. Ralph will still have a ton of them and a big head start but I think his 2004 clutch 4 is good news for everyone.

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Guy
db Reptiles.

Seems to me that Ralph found the end of the rainbow.

Congrats Mr. Davis!!! Those snakes are absolutely GORGEOUS!

ToddG
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1.1 Balls - Male het/albino, Female 66% het/albino
***Fingers crossed for next season!!!***

or maybe just the color, but those Lucys look bigger than their sibs... either way... GO RALPHIE!!! You deserve it!
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"Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are." - Kurt Cobain

"You laugh at me because I am different; I laugh at you because you are all the same."

~~ Krystal ~~

nt

>>or maybe just the color, but those Lucys look bigger than their sibs... either way... GO RALPHIE!!! You deserve it!
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>> "Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are." - Kurt Cobain
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>>"It is better to be hated for what you are than loved for what you're not."
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>>"You laugh at me because I am different; I laugh at you because you are all the same."
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>> ~~ Krystal ~~
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Rob Talkington

You got it going on with these, and your right it's great fun to watch you put the puzzle together. Can't wait to see all the rest for 2004!

Debra and Diana
Camlon Reptiles

NO pic?.......

........reference to a white snake?.....

so...there are other white snakes out there.........alot more than 1.....

now....

are there any platty daddy babies that look like platty daddy yet?......

does that color reproduce?.......

better tham all white....

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people.........people are stupid.........
really......really.........

Mr. Davis produced what appears to be platy daddies last year from lesser platy X normal looking sibling. It looks to me like there is a hidden hypo gene that is co-dominant when in conjunction with a separate platy pattern gene (platy daddy being the homozygous super and lesser platy being the heterozygous hidden hypo) but perhaps completely unseen without the platy pattern gene (could still be recessive and just not hit a homozygous hidden hypo without being at least het for the platy pattern yet).

In this scenario the original platy daddy is homozygous for this hidden hypo gene and heterozygous for platy pattern. All of his offspring (including the normal looking mother of the 2003 clutch linked below) when bred to a normal are het for the hypo gene but you only see it in the ones that also ended up het for the platy pattern gene, making them lesser rather than some normal colored phantom like ball with just the pattern gene. The 2003 clutches 51 and 44 both produced some platy patterned babies that where also homozygous for the odd hypo gene (platy daddies) and 51 also had one that was only het hidden hypo (lesser platy). Maybe by looking at the bellies one could pic out some siblings that got the platy pattern but not the hidden hypo gene.

A lot of conjecture, but here is how it might work out under this theory:

Platy Daddy = Homozygous hidden hypo and het platy pattern
Lesser Platy = Het hidden hypo and het platy pattern
Blue-eyed Leucistic = Homozygous platy pattern (hidden hypo needed at all?)

Platy Daddy X Normal = 50% lesser platy (het hidden hypo and het platy pattern), 50% normal looking het for hidden hypo.

Lesser Platy X Normal = 25% lesser platy, 25% het platy pattern only (might look like a phantom, might need to check the belly), 25% normal het hidden hypo, 25% completely normal

Platy Daddy X Lesser Platy = 12.5% leucistic homozygous hidden hypo, 12.5% leucistic het for hidden hypo, 25% Platy Daddy, 25% lesser platy, 25% normal het hidden hypo.

Lesser Platy X Lesser Platy = 25% leucistic (of which 1/4 chance homozygous hidden hypo, 1/2 chance het hidden hypo, and 1/4 chance normal for hidden hypo), 12.5% chance platy daddy, 25% chance lesser platy, 12.5% chance het platy pattern only, 25% normal looking (of which 1/4 chance homozygous hidden hypo - might not be normal, 1/2 chance het hidden hypo, and 1/4 chance completely normal).

Platy Daddy X Platy Daddy = 25% chance leucistic (all homozygous hidden hypo), 50% chance Platy Daddy, 25% chance normal homozygous for hidden hypo (might stay hidden when homozygous, or might be a ghost not yet seen).

Leucistic X Platy Daddy = 50% leucistic, 50% platy daddy if leucistic was homozygous hidden hypo OR 25% platy daddy and 25% lesser platy if the leucistic was only het hidden hypo OR 50% lesser platy if the leucistic was normal for hidden hypo.

Leucistic X lesser Platy = 50% leucistic, 25% platy daddy and 25% lesser platy if the leucistic was homozygous for hidden hypo OR 12.5% platy daddy and 25% lesser platy and 12.5% platy pattern only if the leucistic was only het hidden hypo OR 25% lesser platy and 25% platy pattern only if the leucistic was normal for hidden hypo.

Leucistic X normal = 100% lesser if the leucistic was homozygous for hidden hypo OR 50% lesser and 50% platy pattern only if the leucistic was only homozygous for hidden hypo OR 100% platy pattern only (phantoms?) if the leucistic was normal for hidden hypo

Leucistic X leucistic = 100% leucistic (hidden hypo distribution would vary with the parents genotypes).

I’m in a hurry and probably messed up here somewhere and of course could be off and perhaps the two genes are linked in some way such that you can’t produce a leucistic without the hidden hypo gene or perhaps can’t produce a platy patterned without the hypo gene either.

I forgot.he did get at least one other baby that looks to be daddy color and all......

.........still better than white.

except the ripped off price tag........

......anyways......$30G for a lesser is still too much.....

have fun Y'all......

(THANKS for the posting.........!!!!....).....
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people.........people are stupid.........
really......really.........

would I like to look inside an egg and become speechless! I want to be able to do the naked snake dance under the moonlight with a grin from ear to ear that can never be removed from my forever smiling face.

I want to crack open a magnum of champagne and call in sick to work and when I do, use a happy voice. Not that voice that we feel we have to use to prove that we really are sick. I can be sick and my voice be OK! Really!

I want run upstairs to my bedroom and wake up my wife in the morning and scream "Haleluha! (or whatever that word is) and have her look at me like I am totally nuts (probably because I am still doing the naked snake dance) and give her the good news!

Is that too much to ask for????

Congrats Ralph! I'm happy for you brutha!

MJ
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What did Ralphie do and where is the pics?
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(¯`·.¸¸.·´Kane`·.¸¸.·´¯)

www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/birthing_record/pythons.asp
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Those xanthics are damn nice.
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RicK @ BbI

Ball Boutique,Inc.
The home of the singing snakes!

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AlbinoMorphs.com

what a great accomplishment to produce those beauty white snakes from the platinum. I think calling anyone a king because they breed ball pythons is a little silly, but if it strokes him in the right way, that is cool. I would say pete kahl is king this year with 130 clutches, and we don't even know what bhb or nerd or snake keeper, or vpi, etc............ i guess if you want to coronate anyone for ball breeding, ralph has it for a few days. lol congrats to ralph for producing such a killer looking snake. I love the platinum, but I was hoping for something other then that white snake. I know ralph mentionec there aren't that many, but there are more then people know. I think the platinum is a great project, but I was hoping for something like a super platyy daddy or something else. I know he isnt complaining because of those snakes anyone would kill to have. but I don't know why the platinum would increase because there are so many ways to produce them. maybe that isn't even the super, and if it is, i don't see the inrease. If is isn't the super, and the super is soemthing like the super platy dady, I could see it. But
Black eyes, blue eyes. That doesn't matter to me. They are All just incredible to look at. i also think it is immature to think this is the super, but the ralph should know a lot more with all his other nice breedings. I think with all the ways out there to produce white snakes, that deminishes the value of the other projets. not like everyone is going to loose because they won't, but it sure makes them less valuable. the projects will be great for many years to come. just my 2 cents which isn't worth much. All I have are a pastel, mojave, and albino. I dream of producing snakes like that one day. Calling people kings, or whatever is a little much, and it seems like tehre is a sense of tension because of what others have. i don't understand why it needs to be that way. ralph said in his journal it is becasue of money, but i just think if you breed your stuff and offer good quality animals, you will always do well. Weather or not your goals are to be on top or not, everyone is differnt. also, you can never be on top forever, people are always climing the hill.

aside all the lowsy politics that come with this mini python, congrats to ralph for producing such a great looking snake. It will be interesting to see all the other white ones that pop from Nerd, kahl, snake keeper, russo, etc....... I wonder if it will become a price base on looks of the white snake down the road. either way, i can only wish I were on the road. lol Hopefully someday in the next few years i may save my pennies for one. how many pennies? 1 million or 2? more then that maybe. enough rambling. good luck to everyone in their ball python breedings. my 2 cents Jason SUNGLOWBOA8

I agree with your "KING" comments. I don't know if it's petty jealousy on the parts of some individuals who deem it necessary to create fan clubs for certain breeders and attack others. There are many successful breeders out there, and my definition of success isn't always financial profit. That said, I think Ralph has a great thing going and I am always glad to see any one see the fruits of his or her labor. But putting someone on a pedestal for anything more than hard work is ridiculous. Some people act as though some breeders have magic wands and produce whatever color/pattern variant the choose.
As far as praising some breeders while attacking others seems childish to me. Is there some behind-the-scenes bickering that went on between certain breeders? I just think it's more important to look for healthy, well represented stock than to base your opinions on who's popular at the moment, or who is currently your crowned "KING".

Paul Snyder
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11.7 Ball Pythons (various types)
1.0 Motley Cornsnake
0.1 Bubblegum Snow Cornsnake
0.1 Lavender Albino Kingsnake
0.1 Candycane Cornsnake
0.1 Leucistic Texas Ratsnake

There are a lot of things that cause this tension between breeders...........

Ralph loves to be be the A$$ that gets everyone going. He loves this stuff. Just go to his journal and read his last entry. He is just having fun and producing great animals at the same time........ He speaks his mind and if someone is a boner he lets them know....... it is this honesty that makes him not only a great breeder but a breeder that you would like to do business with..........

I have bought snakes from many of the "large" breeders...... I know that they all have very busy lives but their cust service is grade B to say the least.....this is my opinion just like many people have negative opinions about Ralph....... I have been to Ralphs house.... met his lovely wife and his two awesome children...... He let see any animal in his collection with no problem ........ I have emailed other breeders and never even got an answer...

So if you dont think that Ralph is the king of the ball python world its cool. I think he has earned that title not because of the number of eggs that he gets but how he markets his product.

But you have to understand that those white snakes mean a whole lot to him............. Why do you think he calls them "Karma"?

So rock on Ralph. Keep being a jerk ..... you earned the right to be one.

Raul

Raul,

That is fine that he is your king, and I do think that is great if you want to call someone a king for having great customer service. But for breeding ball pythons?? I personally don't think so. That is just my opinion though. I could also agree with Stans post. I do think there are MANY who have lowsy, and others who have A grade customer service. Ralph should be commended for his if it is great to those who have bought animals from him. I do think that he has done a lot of good for the ball pythons with his hype, humor, and breeding. He seems to enjoy the limelight while there are many other breeders who have done just as much and more who choose to do their work on the sidelines. I'm sure Ralph will do just as good as he gets more years under his belt, and his numbers are already VERY IMPRESSIVE. I do like how he shares his work with others and shows them all the good that can be done with ball pythons. Neither breeder is right or wrong.

Where I DISAGREE with Ralph is where he says ALL can't get a long because of the MONEY. I think that just simply isn't true. Yes, there will be some that snake sales, but I don't think the evivornment needs to be hostile because there is SOO much money in these small pythons. I think that causes the "NEW" guy to become disinterested. It hasn't yet, but it really could. I know many boa guys who would like to take a stab at investing in some ball project, but they just don't like the way people talk so negative. I can certainly understand the concerns as I have MANY ball projects myself. The Boa market is a HUGE market very similar to the Balls, and YES you do have some bickering in the breeders, but it isn't even 1/100th of the Balls. I personally think the Enviroment can be a lot better, and if it were, it would be a LOT better for the Balls. That is just MY 2 cents.

In Closing. From One breeder to another. I would like to Congratulate Ralph Davis for creating some AWESOME new mutations, and wonderful animals. CONGRATS. You desearve it with the risks you have taken. I wish I would have gotten a Platinum NOW. LOL

Where I disagree with Raul, is NO MATTER WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IN LIFE. YOU HAVE NEVER EARNED THE RIGHT TO BE A JERK.. you either are one because you are one, but you don't earn that right. (I'm not saying Ralph is one here) I don't think he is. Just a thought.

Jeremy Stone

Ha ha! Obviously they meant kings of breeding Ball Pythons. How that got mixed into now King of the World is beyond me.

Maybe we should ask the King(s)?

Either way, Kev. and Ralph are tops until someone knocks them off. And they deserve it. And the jealous people would do better than keep taking pot shots and maybe do some more breeding to supplant them?

Maybe not, to each their own.

And remember, its JUST Ball Pythons. Its not like its boeleni or monitors or scrubs or anything that's actually cool and hard to breed. So its not the talent that we all admire Ralph and Kevin for. Its the vision, the determination, and mostly, the stones to fork out $200,000 on imported snakes to supply us with new morphs to play with. Anyone can buy a spider and 50 normal females and make $150,000. Ralph and Kevin are beyond that. So far beyond.....
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You hit the nail on the head........a great looking animal, and congrats are definitely in order........but a touch of reality and humility dont hurt.........I never heard Ronald Reagan call himself the King Of America (he was a class act, a great American, wasnt he?) Anyways, congrats to Ralph on another great success in breeding 2 ball pythons together. Sincerely, Stan Ruppel

You wouldn't have a problem with it. It's Ralph's nickname...get over it.